[CL] JUVENTUS 0-0 Atlético Madrid (December 9th 2014) (27 Viewers)

[DUKAC]

I think the bayern demolition job is what destroyed the mentality. Conte just stated the obvious there and I think all of our management echoed the same sentiment. We were completely outplayed and not because we had a bad day. They were just far too good for everyone and stating some reasons behind such superiority is humility. I am glad Conte didnt blame refs or any other Benitez like excuse.

Conte is to blame for the nervousness of the squad that followed. The team needed a strong reaction on their next visit to Europe but that never happened until today. Bare in mind that we are not a squad without players of Character. Buffon and Pirlo are vastly experienced winners while Vidal was one hell of a fighter in Europe especially pre-Bayern. Barzagli, Marchisio and Chiellini are experienced too and went all the way in the Euros. We are not Arsenal, Liverpool or Roma to have very few mentally tough players. We should have broken that barrier. The closest we ever got to breaking that fear was against Real Madrid because we played very convincingly and deserved to win. However, Cacares'(under Conte commands) back pass to Ronaldo and other brain farts ruined all the good work.

Under Conte, we performed very well against Galata in Turin and against madrid home and away. Under Allegri, we performed very well against Olympiakos (in terms of performances not results). The problem is that we always wasted all the good work out of wastefulness in attack (that we would never see in Serie A) and nervousness in defense. Our problem is not of quality or of tactics its of character. Sometimes a change of tactics however gives the necessary shake up that might release the players' mentality a little bit. To get out of this, I think we need a madrid-like performance only for the opposition team to break down under pressure or to fail to capitalize on our nervousness. They can keep hitting the bar, have an off day or Buffon can be heroic or something.

I think Barca is the top team scalp we can go for. They have nervousness at the back too and a $#@! coach. If we have a great performance like that against madrid against them and yet manage to get away with a win we will begin to reach our full potential.

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We still have a poor mentality. We always look like we are about to piss ourselves. We almost wasted all the good work against OLY when we won. We never get results that our performances deserve because of this poor mentality.

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Like it or not on the international scene, Goal is very relevant and one of the top footballing sites in the world if not the top in terms of traffic. Tuz is irrelevant.
Sites like Goal have a huge influence on public opinion.

They support EPL clubs because the English clubs know how to market themselves and knows how to have good relations with the press to generate good publicity. Italian clubs are ancient in that regard and can only have connections with local Italian papers that no one reads outside of Italy.

I am not asking for us to be like EPL clubs or the two spanish giants in the media thats too far fetched. But atleast be like Bayern or Dortmund.

At least like Bayern?Bayern is economic wise maybe a bigger power than Oil dollars clubs or MAdrid and Barca.I don't see Dortmund above us in media field.

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Because the site is business, commercial, clicks, visits bring a lot of money. They publish ALL RUMORS and sometimes even take some from the forums they used to do that from my news in Juve section. Plus they got writers who are fans first than reporters.They are focused towards Asia now and I believe the new owner is from India, you know Asia is conquered from EPL clubs. They use Sunday Mirror, Tuttosport, GdS etc. and when sometimes they add some 'made up' news. Plus their reporters are so biased that it's unthinkable. Carlo Retardanese (as I call him) he is insane, he is a Stoke fan and he literally hates Juve just notice his news and 'expert' reports and discussions we even had a small 'discussion' on twitter. He is something like Susy Campanale is in football-italia.net she is a Milan fan, hardcore one but she is polite and has time for other opinion while Carlo is always 'right'.

Veru accurate

 

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[frzl]

Why is Dortmund ahead of us, they showed nothing more than us same goes for Arsenal

well dortmund played quite well in the cl or at least got pretty good results. furthermore, they won their group which means they can´t get drawn against real, barca, bayern and chelsea right away. this directly increases their odds of winning the whole thing.
arsenal is an english team and many bookies target the english market. when a bookie has many english customers they can get away with lower odds because their customers tend to overestimate english teams.
another explanation would be that they think we suck ^^.

 

[Tanu_Mz]

I don't get the Juve fans whineing about the last 15 minutes when we decided a 0-0 was ok.
Are they missing Conte who fucked up in Istanbul letting Gala score a goal on a counter-attack in the last minutes of the game? Or the same guy who played 6 benchers in a European semifinal? Gee that is so short sighted. Having passed means 28 bloody millions in our pockets, which means ability to retain the best and cash to invest in other strong players, can people not see this?

 

[JuveJay]

We tried to win, realised we couldn't (at least not 2-0), both teams made the common sense call in the last 15 or so minutes.

 

[Hist]

At least like Bayern?Bayern is economic wise maybe a bigger power than Oil dollars clubs or MAdrid and Barca.I don't see Dortmund above us in media field.

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Veru accurate

Dortmund do have better media relations than us. I think we are one of the worst clubs in terms of favorable reviews from international media. Dortmund are in the relegation zone and do not receive the negative publicity that we get for a couple of poor performances that we make. We are blasted even in victory and when achieving targets. I can pull up a couple of Goal.com editorials blasting us for managing a 3-2 win against OLY, drawing with fiorentina and drawing with Atletico. Klopp is still praised to the sky despite the full collapse of his team while Conte and Juve were branded as flops for failing to qualify to the last 16 on one occasion and in unusual circumstances. We are a punching bag for the media.

Bayern are much more wealthy but that does not mean that they must have better press relations than us. PR costs little to nothing. I dont expect us to spend as much on advertising, I do expect us however to have journalists in almost every major news source and editorial propagating our brand, emphasizing our talents and the exploits of our players. You strike deals with them. They give you favorable coverage and opinions while you give them juicy rumours and info. Exclusive interviews with star players and management. First priority in the dug out interviews and in press releases. At the same time those who write shit about you are excluded, aggressively responded to, sued if they slander you or damage your reputation etc.. Bayern themselves are not particularly great at that either the way the english and the spanish are. They had Robben and Ribery in different seasons wreaking havoc but never receiving the recognition or coverage that Raheem Sterling Received.

The english and the spanish are the best at this, Italians and Juve in particular are the absolute worse. If we can get journalists to be neutral towards that in itself will be an achievement.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Hist, are you in PR? This seems to be a pet topic of yours

 

[Hist]

Hist, are you in PR? This seems to be a pet topic of yours

I studied it as a second degree (I have a marketing Degree) and I generally have an interest in it (in politics rather than business). Football happens to be very political so I pay attention to the little cues.

Look at this for example:
"Juventus have qualified for the knockout phase of the Champions League for the first time since 2012-13. This season may well be an improvement on last year's disastrous attempt when they were put out by Galatasaray, but qualification to the last 16 should be taken for granted for a club of their stature and not celebrated." This is from Goal's most recent article about us titled Drab Juventus benefit from ambitionless Atletico.

Note the bolded part. We miss one qualification in unusual circumstances and the way they word it is to give the impression that we have not been qualifying for years. Ex: Yesterday he had sex for the first time since last week. The connotation with this choice of words is that he has sex very rarely even though technically it does not exclude that he used to have regular sex prior to that month.


"Awful performances against Atletico and Olympiakos had meant that Juve would be forced to endure the indignity of attempting to shore up qualification right until the final whistle of the final game. Big clubs generally do not operate like that."

Not only does he ignore any good work we did, he also ignores the fact that Atletico too did nothing against us and scored from a set piece. The whole article is oriented towards bashing us.
"But the truth is that the Italian champions do not belong in the exalted company of Atletico, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, Dortmund, Chelsea and the rest."
Dortmund is a bigger club

Read the rest of the article if you want to get pissed off. An article like this on the most read football newsource in the world is more damaging to your brand then an entire advertising campaign pro- your brand can fix.

Another article where allegri says we need to improve in the knockout stage:
"Allegri's men dominated the Turin contest, but struggled to convert their possession into clear-cut chances, with the best chance of the match falling to Atletico's Koke who was denied in the sixth minute by Gianluigi Buffon." We had useless possession and were lucky to come out with a draw.


The Cherry on Top:
"Despite winning Serie A in each of the last three seasons, Juve have struggled to transfer their domestic dominance on to the European stage, after failing to advance beyond the group stage of the competition in 2012/13 and 2013/14." Outright misleading information!

This is an article where Marchisio says we want to prove we are amongst the elites. The last sentence of the article
"Juventus were beaten 1-0 in the reverse fixture at the Vicente Calderon."


I have only went through the first few articles that show up when you click on Juve's tab on Goal international. I read Goal regularly and these three are the rule not the exception.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

I definitely agree with you. We especially suck with how we let the domestic media abuse and slander us

 

[Hist]

International more important than domestic. Domestically, newer generations of fans inherit their support from older ones as its a form of tradition now. We also have the domestic success to back that up on a yearly basis. It is outside of italy where we need to expand and improve our image.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

We've been putting a lot of effort into the social networks and online media recently. Not sure what more we can really do other than try to achieve success in the CL

 

[Pirlo's Beard]

Why do we roll over and pretend the media aren't attacking us at every opportunity

Ignoring it does nothing, casuals believe this shit. We need to adopt a more aggressive approach, a siege mentality. Clubs like United adopted one long ago even though half the media faps all over them, we legit have the whole of Italy against us and we ignore it in favour of posting some cheesy shit on facebook

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

#PirlosBeardIsNotImpressed

 

[Hist]

We've been putting a lot of effort into the social networks and online media recently. Not sure what more we can really do other than try to achieve success in the CL

Thats advertising not public relations. PR involves having your agents in the press who write well about you, emphasize your strengths and hide your weaknesses. Your players get an extra star in match ratings and they are made into stars like David Luiz and Pique were despite not being talented. Its what stops the public from forgetting that we did well in 2012 and that we were unbeaten in 2011. Its what reminds folks that the Juve from the 90s was an all time great team like the great Barca and the great Milan and Ajax, instead the new generations perceive us as only dominant in Italy.

The media would beat you down less when you are under performing and will exaggerate your successes. They would emphasize our return to the top of italy as a great story not as a closed chapter in a shameful history. This should be what we aim for in our relations with the press.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Apply for the job

 

[Hængebøffer]

If a Tuzzer was hired at our club it would crash and burn within two years.

 

[Nzoric]

 

[mukumsplau]

Michel (Oly coach): "Juventus and Atletico are giant limousines, us a simple car."

 

[Ocelot]

If a Tuzzer was hired at our club it would crash and burn within two years.

I think Rus would be an alright janitor.

 

[Nzoric]

Michel (Oly coach): "Juventus and Atletico are giant limousines, us a simple car."

Fragstealing Conte. Classy.

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

I'm happy with our performance against Atletico, but I have to point out that Man City needed to win and score. I think Roma lost the group with the draw against CSKA Moscow. With 2 more points they would need any draw to continue and if City scored they would only need a goal. Still they are Roma - lack of experience, main transfer this summer was done only to outplay us for Iturbe, but what they really needed is a goalscorer. They are also using 38 years old player and leave De Rossi, Florenzi on the bench...

Didn't get this move at all.