[CL] JUVENTUS 0-0 Atlético Madrid (December 9th 2014) (29 Viewers)

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Senior Member
Sep 18, 2009
16,022
What signs of improvement are there? Even in our best performance against olympiakos we were nervous and wasteful in attack and defense and almost threw the 3 points. We have not done anything extra in the CL this year than the last. The difference is that this same match last year was played in two days on a terrible pitch and a worse environment which ruined the match and we conceded in the last minutes of the game. The difference between both years is that last minute goal from sneijder.

I think we need to beat a big team to recover our 2012 attitude.
"We cannot compete with the big teams in Europe - we have no money - we're financially unable to compete"

That's what destroyed our mentality after the Bayern demolition job.
 

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Bianconero_Aus

Beppe Marotta Is My God
May 26, 2009
81,174
"We cannot compete with the big teams in Europe - we have no money - we're financially unable to compete"

That's what destroyed our mentality after the Bayern demolition job.
Conte fucking cracked it big time after those losses to Bayern. Completely wrecked his mentality, especially in European competitions.

I don't fear Porto or Monaco in Europe under Allegri. In fact, I think we'd beat them without much fuss.
 

PedroFlu

Senior Member
Sep 20, 2011
7,166
We really get exposed against big teams...

Evra is very disappointing, but good European teams don't have very skilfull / attacking fullbacks.

Problem is definitely lack of pace in the offense.. Tevez is not a difference-maker in Europe, he was very bad today. Llorente is being horrible the whole season.. and Vidal just looks like an ordinary decent player, not the extraordinary CM we saw the last years.

We really really need an option to make this team more aggressive and fast. An option for Tevez when he's poor. Coman would be my hope...

Morata really needs to get more shots. It would be a much more aggressive and dangerous team with him instead of Llorente.
 

ALC

Ohaulick
Oct 28, 2010
46,540
So you would have preferred us pouring forward from the 1st til 90th minute looking to beat these guys and risking qualification? 0-0 suits me fine. Mission accomplished, were in the knockout rounds.
:agree: Couldn't be happier myself. Yea, a win would be awesome but we're through.
 

napoleonic

Senior Member
Sep 7, 2010
4,129
I have seen this from few seasons ago and have mentioned it perhaps more than a few times, our biggest problem in attack especially against organized defenses is actually pirlo.

the way he play and set up behind 3 CMs is exactly why we couldn't create much.

we need a skilled enough playmaker who has the ability to beat one or two man and playing much closer to opponent defenses so that pogba vidal marchisio can strike/attack from behind him, not ahead of him... I'm confident that our CMs can be so much more fearsome they operate from behind a skilled AM/playmaker who can create troubles ahead, pulling out defenders to him and leaving open spaces for our CMs...

not sure why the entire club seem to not realize this.
 

Bianconero_Aus

Beppe Marotta Is My God
May 26, 2009
81,174
I have seen this from few seasons ago and have mentioned it perhaps more than a few times, our biggest problem in attack especially against organized defenses is actually pirlo.

the way he play and set up behind 3 CMs is exactly why we couldn't create much.

we need a skilled enough playmaker who has the ability to beat one or two man and playing much closer to opponent defenses so that pogba vidal marchisio can strike/attack from behind him, not ahead of him... I'm confident that our CMs can be so much more fearsome they operate from behind a skilled AM/playmaker who can create troubles ahead, pulling out defenders to him and leaving open spaces for our CMs...

not sure why the entire club seem to not realize this.
Maybe they need you to become the transfer director and coach. It's what the team has perhaps been missing all these years?
 

AFL_ITALIA

MAGISTERIAL
Jun 17, 2011
31,820
Look at this shit.

Drab Juventus benefits from ambitionless Atletico

The Italian champions secured a Champions League last-16 berth thanks to a 0-0 draw against last year's finalists but remain a long way off the standard required.
Juventus has qualified for the knockout phase of the Champions League for the first time since 2012-13. This season may well be an improvement on last year's disastrous attempt when the club was put out by Galatasaray, but qualification to the last 16 should be taken for granted for a club of its stature and not celebrated.

The pitfall of early elimination also awaited Juve this year but Atletico Madrid had already assured its own qualification by the time the last match day rolled around. The Spanish champions saved their legs in this drab, scoreless encounter.

Atleti did not have to do any more than fulfil the fixture. Good thing for Juve. Had this been a "must-win" game, it is highly probable that the team would have failed to get over the line. Had Atletico needed a result, it could have been worse still. Based on its previous group stage outings, Juve has nothing of the verve and penetration required.

Awful performances against Atletico and Olympiakos had meant that Juve would be forced to endure the indignity of attempting to shore up qualification right until the final whistle of the final game. Big clubs generally do not operate like that.

In the aftermath there was a breath of relief winding around the Juventus Stadium, a relief that Atletico chose not to compete. Juventus' reward for clinging to Atleti's coat-tails will be an assignment against one of the group winners.

This result, and this group stage campaign, will thrill Juve fans as qualification has been achieved. But the truth is that the Italian champions do not belong in the exalted company of Atletico, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, Dortmund, Chelsea and the rest. They will surely be beaten in the last 16 unless they are given a favourable draw. Their recent record in this competition is modest to say the least, with only one quarterfinal appearance since Calciopoli.

It was often said that Antonio Conte lacked the nous to take Juventus any further in Europe but the blame cannot be laid entirely at his feet. While the former midfielder was often shown up for a lack of tactical acumen, the club in its entirety is not geared up for anything approaching a challenge at this level.

Paul Pogba and Arturo Vidal opted to remain with Juventus last summer in spite of concrete interest from clubs elsewhere in Europe; clubs that stand a better chance of achieving glory in the Champions League. Those two, Juve's best players, would be well advised to consider their current surroundings. Juve's other important players are all the wrong side of 30 and on the slide. Andrea Pirlo, in particular, is playing more poorly than at any other time in recent memory.

Transfer fees are not being lavished on the continent's best talents, nor are the best players being attracted there any longer. Instead of Alexis Sanchez comes Alvaro Morata. There is probably enough in the ranks to sustain command of Serie A for another few seasons but, at this level, the elite level, there is not enough to make an impact.

A lack of direction in the transfer market accounted for Conte, who walked away in the summer, and in his place came the underwhelming Max Allegri. He has kept things steady in Serie A, even if some of the vim and vigour of Conte's day has been lost.

If, under Conte, Juventus had something resembling the bite and tenacity of the coach who represented the club with such distinction in the 1990s, then much of Allegri is imprinted on this Juventus team in Europe. In a word, middling.

Thanks largely to Conte's extraordinary will and drive they re-established their domestic dominance in the face of admittedly puny competition. But the step up to European level has been, and will remain, beyond them.
 

mukumsplau

Senior Member
Jul 9, 2008
4,443
strange game but i think we went out to win but unfortunately as the game progressed an we werent ble to penetrate that was a situation we had to manage...atletico as well because had both sides opened up both may have risked losing...and i think atletico wanted to retain top position and juve to retain their place in the knockouts...

vidal..oh my...he has time to shape up before the knockouts..he really needs to get his shit in order...morata should be given more starts and gassed up before the knockouts as well..dont know y llorente keeps retaining his starting spot..
 

napoleonic

Senior Member
Sep 7, 2010
4,129
maybe they do. i think the issue here is that the top quality playmakers are not sale.

maybe with mata being a fringe player at united it could give juventus a chance to fix this problem
it doesn't even need to be top players if it an unrealistic situation, youngsters the like of morata and coman still acceptable, I find it hard to believe can't find even a single young and talented AM or winger...

the longer we stay depending on pirlo the longer we suck in europe because it make the team too static and predictable when attacking and also a liability when it come to defending.
 

MikeM

Footballing Hipster celebrating 4th place with Tuz
Sep 21, 2008
12,850
I have seen this from few seasons ago and have mentioned it perhaps more than a few times, our biggest problem in attack especially against organized defenses is actually pirlo.

the way he play and set up behind 3 CMs is exactly why we couldn't create much.

we need a skilled enough playmaker who has the ability to beat one or two man and playing much closer to opponent defenses so that pogba vidal marchisio can strike/attack from behind him, not ahead of him... I'm confident that our CMs can be so much more fearsome they operate from behind a skilled AM/playmaker who can create troubles ahead, pulling out defenders to him and leaving open spaces for our CMs...

not sure why the entire club seem to not realize this.
I actually agree with this.
 

Vialli_92

Senior Member
Mar 7, 2013
6,500
Look at this shit.

Drab Juventus benefits from ambitionless Atletico
Atletico were not qualified though as he failed to point out, they could have been eliminated had we won by 2 goals or more. Yes obviously we are not a world class team but he has been so harsh on Juve there i have to say. It's a game neither team wanted to lose so naturally both settled for the draw the longer the game went on.
 

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