[CL] Champions League 2014/15 (42 Viewers)

[Juventino[RUS]]

It's the idea of people putting belief and faith in what's real by looking at a screen or looking at a camera, rather than looking at it with their own eyes.

It's like the tourist who never removes the camera from his face, taking pictures of the Grand Canyon and whatnot. Have they actually seen and experienced the Grand Canyon? Or are they just documenting the experience for some other, offline use?

While the time delays would be annoying, those are minor. I am more offended by this notion that we turn to everything else for what's real and discount what should be the primary experience in front of us: seeing a human game with players on the pitch with our own eyes for our own experience of that. When that experience becomes secondary to every other format, the game is dead. We're playing the sport for robot cameras, sports analysts watching satellite feeds in other countries during the match, and a whole assortment of tricks telling us that what we see with our own eyes at the stadium isn't real at all -- only those things we look to elsewhere.

ye, players, coaches and other staff are working their asses off on the training sessions for a season after season, same story with true fans which are support and follow their beloved teams for whole life just to be robbed in the vital games because human eyes are not ideal fuck technology, sell your PC, smartphone and watches, go back to the stone age and have fun there, why not? this all stuff are robbing your time, fuck it, you are not robot, enjoy the life without technology, oh and forget about cars too cause they are crammed with the technology

 

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[IliveForJuve]

I see nothing wrong with using technology to make the game fairer.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

Nor do I, and I think "more accurate" is better than "fairer."

 

[swag]

ye, players, coaches and other staff are working their asses off on the training sessions for a season after season, same story with true fans which are support and follow their beloved teams for whole life just to be robbed in the vital games because human eyes are not ideal fuck technology, sell your PC, smartphone and watches, go back to the stone age and have fun there, why not? this all stuff are robbing your time, fuck it, you are not robot, enjoy the life without technology, oh and forget about cars too cause they are crammed with the technology

The concept of "being robbed" is still rooted in this notion that what anyone sees at the stadium isn't "real" enough, but what some camera records for people that are mostly thousands of km away is the reference for what is actually real and the reason why everyone is playing the match. You are only "robbed" because you believe that the reality told by the camera says so, not because the experience of being on the pitch is convincing enough.

If you're going to hold the gold standard of the sport up to micron- and millisecond-level precision played for people who aren't anywhere even close to the humans experiencing the match firsthand, then why even bother with the messy humans at all? Obviously what humans experience first-hand as reality is all a myth and we must instead turn to cameras and screens as the truth of what's actually going on in the world.

In which case, just make it a televised video game where joystick controllers can translate exact, precise motions for everyone to enjoy as if that's what's true and real. You can get all the precision you want, you will have the correct "first hand" real experience shared identically by everyone, and there will be no difference wherever you might physically be observing it.

But fuck all if I am going to haul my ass 6000km to Brazil and pay $600 a ticket to enter a stadium with a bunch of strangers for the privilege of seeing a fake and unreal sport played in a stadium when the reality can be experienced elsewhere.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

Greg, you're in a battle of wits with someone who is half-armed.

 

[swag]

I was entertained when he got trolled by people asking for good World Cup match charts today, however.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

I was entertained when he got trolled by people asking for good World Cup match charts today, however.

trolled? you clearly don't understand anything

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The concept of "being robbed" is still rooted in this notion that what anyone sees at the stadium isn't "real" enough, but what some camera records for people that are mostly thousands of km away is the reference for what is actually real and the reason why everyone is playing the match. You are only "robbed" because you believe that the reality told by the camera says so, not because the experience of being on the pitch is convincing enough.

If you're going to hold the gold standard of the sport up to micron- and millisecond-level precision played for people who aren't anywhere even close to the humans experiencing the match firsthand, then why even bother with the messy humans at all? Obviously what humans experience first-hand as reality is all a myth and we must instead turn to cameras and screens as the truth of what's actually going on in the world.

In which case, just make it a televised video game where joystick controllers can translate exact, precise motions for everyone to enjoy as if that's what's true and real. You can get all the precision you want, you will have the correct "first hand" real experience shared identically by everyone, and there will be no difference wherever you might physically be observing it.

But fuck all if I am going to haul my ass 6000km to Brazil and pay $600 a ticket to enter a stadium with a bunch of strangers for the privilege of seeing a fake and unreal sport played in a stadium when the reality can be experienced elsewhere.

Football is the last team sport where we are not using technology to help us to determine the fair final score

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Greg, you're in a battle of wits with someone who is half-armed.

said the balding guy with ugly goat beard

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

Jog on, Vasili.

 

[Klin]

said the balding guy with ugly goat beard

What do you have against bald people? Tupac was bald too yo.

 

[Ventus]

We should have known it was the turning point for Real Madrid last season, since they finally got the better of us

 

[swag]

[QUOTE='Juventino[RUS]
Football is the last team sport where we are not using technology to help us to determine the fair final score[/QUOTE]

It's never fair, and it's foolish to believe that it will be in some idyllic universe. You put in slow-motion cameras, you add goal line technology ... whoppee. Your technology has made it a fair sport.

Oh really?

What about the linesman decision who missed an offside call? What of the referee decision to hold off awarding a player a red card and handing out a yellow instead? (Let alone what if some of the players are like Conte at Bari, betting on matches and potentially coordinating to fix the outcome.)

I actually like the extra official around goal, because he's another human perspective. But the rest that claims it can finally make the game "fair" is an illusion. You can feel great and secure because you've just built a 10-meter high locked gate at your front door, but you left your bathroom window open.

Give in to the humanness of the game. A patchwork of mismatched and artificially-hoisted-upon technologies helps the theater of fairness, but it's never going to be fair.

 

[Bartolo]

when are the groups announced? late July early august?

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

It's never fair, and it's foolish to believe that it will be in some idyllic universe. You put in slow-motion cameras, you add goal line technology ... whoppee. Your technology has made it a fair sport.

Oh really?

What about the linesman decision who missed an offside call? What of the referee decision to hold off awarding a player a red card and handing out a yellow instead? What if some of the players are like Conte at Bari, betting on matches and potentially coordinating to fix the outcome?

I actually like the extra official around goal, because he's another human perspective. But the rest that claims it can finally make the game "fair" is an illusion. You can feel great ad secure because you've just built a 10-meter high locked gate at your front door, but you left your bathroom window open.

Give in to the humanness of the game. A patchwork of mismatched and artificially-hoisted-upon technologies helps the theater of fairness, but it's never going to be fair.

1) Offsides - one team can ask to watch the replay, it will take the same 30-60 seconds replay with this technology, it's not like we have 100 controversial offsides per match in football
2) Betting scandals - the police and the federation should investigate this situations, it have nothing in common with watching football
3) Humanity is doing mistakes, technology can help us to do much less mistakes, or maybe we should drive cars from 50s-60s because the current generation of cars are help us to drive much much more safely?!

 

[Vlad]

No doubt that technology should make its way into football. Other sports have done it, so can't see what would be the obstacles that would prevent its application here. Of course these guys (FIFA) want to control the outcomes of some games, so not gonna happen, unfortunately.

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It's never fair, and it's foolish to believe that it will be in some idyllic universe. You put in slow-motion cameras, you add goal line technology ... whoppee. Your technology has made it a fair sport.

Oh really?

What about the linesman decision who missed an offside call? What of the referee decision to hold off awarding a player a red card and handing out a yellow instead? (Let alone what if some of the players are like Conte at Bari, betting on matches and potentially coordinating to fix the outcome.)

I actually like the extra official around goal, because he's another human perspective. But the rest that claims it can finally make the game "fair" is an illusion. You can feel great and secure because you've just built a 10-meter high locked gate at your front door, but you left your bathroom window open.

Give in to the humanness of the game. A patchwork of mismatched and artificially-hoisted-upon technologies helps the theater of fairness, but it's never going to be fair.

 

[Raz]

I hope it doesn't change. It's awesome, how football is unpredictable and error prone, it adds a lot of fire to the game. If everytthing went perfect it would be boring and people would not have anything to talk about.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

I hope it doesn't change. It's awesome, how football is unpredictable and error prone, it adds a lot of fire to the game. If everytthing went perfect it would be boring and people would not have anything to talk about.

Easy to say as a Juve fan.

 

[Raz]

Maybe, but for me it's enough that the sport lost most of it's passion with billionere balerinas dancing around and no more national identities left with nothing but money driving the game, so that is enough of a reason for me to wish that some human spirit would be left in the game.

 

[Klin]

Easy to say as a Juve fan.

 

[swag]

3) Humanity is doing mistakes, technology can help us to do much less mistakes, or maybe we should drive cars from 50s-60s because the current generation of cars are help us to drive much much more safely?!

I watch the sport for the humans, not to get a technology trade show.

Don't tell me what I see isn't real and I should be watching some TV monitor instead. I'm here to watch the game, not a bunch of clowns in the booth with slow-motion cameras.

I hope it doesn't change. It's awesome, how football is unpredictable and error prone, it adds a lot of fire to the game. If everytthing went perfect it would be boring and people would not have anything to talk about.

The Hand of God would have never happened.

 

[Raz]

The Hand of God would have never happened.

I'm not saying it's good the hand of god, but it's something human in the game and I want it to be left like that.