[CL] Champions League 2012/13 (65 Viewers)

Maddy

Oracle of Copenhagen
Jul 10, 2009
16,545
Serie A's attractiveness is more influenced by a lack of money and corruption than Udinese not making the CL.
Yeah, well. That wasn't really my point.

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Because Udinese surely will take CL seriously, win plenty of matches and add to Serie A attractiveness:rolleyes:
Yeah.. That was my point. Udinese to save Serie A. Or maybe that in the long run Italian football will loose out if they do not manage to get a strong and competitive league, where four teams participate in Champions League. Italy already falling behind.
 

RavaneVialli2

Junior Member
Aug 4, 2012
147
Also, Zlatan and Thiago Silva surely were amazed by Ligue 1 attractiveness... It's money that counts the most in the end. Besides, being the only power in the league doesn't mean there must be a one-horse race, see Bundesliga. And with Moratti and Berlusconi around we won't be the only power in Italy anyway.

So I'll take the 10M.
 

Dadi-SK

Senior Member
Jan 30, 2011
3,688
Also, Zlatan and Thiago Silva surely were amazed by Ligue 1 attractiveness... It's money that counts the most in the end. Besides, being the only power in the league doesn't mean there must be a one-horse race, see Bundesliga. And with Moratti and Berlusconi around we won't be the only power in Italy anyway.

So I'll take the 10M.
Bundesliga has always been like that but not Serie A. We need a strong Serie A, with 5-6 top clubs and get back those 4 CHL spots. That will bring money to the league and it will attract foreign top players again. Regarding the corruption, I can bet my house that other Football Federations are as corrupt as the Italian but the media.and society in other countries hide it very well. As for Juventus, we will always dominate the Calcio, be it strong or weak.
 

Maddy

Oracle of Copenhagen
Jul 10, 2009
16,545
Also, Zlatan and Thiago Silva surely were amazed by Ligue 1 attractiveness... It's money that counts the most in the end. Besides, being the only power in the league doesn't mean there must be a one-horse race, see Bundesliga. And with Moratti and Berlusconi around we won't be the only power in Italy anyway.

So I'll take the 10M.
And where do the money come? TV-deals, sponsorships, sold out stadiums (that the clubs owns), merchandise and so on. Do you see Serie A excel in those areas?

But let's leave it here. You think Juventus will be stronger with the ten million and I thinks it's short term thinking like pissing your pants to keep warm.
 

jukazem

Senior Member
Feb 10, 2007
4,967
And when Llorente, Dzeko or somebody else dismiss Juventus due to Serie A's attractiveness. What do you then say?

10 million is pocket money in the long run.
Juve's strength in the Champions League will determine Juve's attractiveness to top players, Serie A's competitiveness has got minimal to do with attracting top players.
 

Joe

Senior Member
Dec 20, 2009
14,980
And when Llorente, Dzeko or somebody else dismiss Juventus due to Serie A's attractiveness. What do you then say?

10 million is pocket money in the long run.
Nobody is going to look back and thing, zomg Udinese didn't make the group stages. Fuck Serie A!

10M in the bank >
 

RavaneVialli2

Junior Member
Aug 4, 2012
147
And where do the money come? TV-deals, sponsorships, sold out stadiums (that the clubs owns), merchandise and so on. Do you see Serie A excel in those areas?

But let's leave it here. You think Juventus will be stronger with the ten million and I thinks it's short term thinking like pissing your pants to keep warm.
I don't see Serie A excelling in there. But when we're courting a player like RVP, we're showing him our modern stadium, not Chievo's one.

I believe Juventus will be stronger with 10M more each year than with 10M less but with Udinese or Roma in CL, yes. Reaching quarters or semis of CL year by year will bring us back the reputation and attractiveness we had and at the same time more points for the coefficient than a Udinese would gather in CL's group stage matches, in which they'll field their deep reserves.
 

Maddy

Oracle of Copenhagen
Jul 10, 2009
16,545
I don't see Serie A excelling in there. But when we're courting a player like RVP, we're showing him our modern stadium, not Chievo's one.

I believe Juventus will be stronger with 10M more each year than with 10M less but with Udinese or Roma in CL, yes. Reaching quarters or semis of CL year by year will bring us back the reputation and attractiveness we had and at the same time more points for the coefficient than a Udinese would gather in CL's group stage matches, in which they'll field their deep reserves.
But who are to say we will get that far in CL? What if we finish fourth in the League?

No matter what, a strong home market means a stronger Juventus. Remeber the 80s and 90s anyone?
 

RavaneVialli2

Junior Member
Aug 4, 2012
147
But whoa re to say we will get that far in CL? What if we finish fourth in the League.

Not matter what a strong home market means a stronger Juventus. Remeber the 80s and 90s anyone?
Nobody says we surely will, but there's a significantly bigger chance of doing so with 10M more to operate on the market. It's an Armero instead of De Ceglie/Giaccherini in the starting 11 difference.

And there's a significantly smaller chance we'll finish 4th in the league when there's a bigger financial distance between us and other teams, in our favour.
 

Maddy

Oracle of Copenhagen
Jul 10, 2009
16,545
Nobody says we surely will, but there's a significantly bigger chance of doing so with 10M more to operate on the market. It's an Armero instead of De Ceglie/Giaccherini in the starting 11 difference.
The 10 million will never add up to the money Juventus will lose with worse TV-deals and sponsorships, lack of CL football (4th place) and sale of merchandise. Italy is in a terrible financial state and therefore the italian Juventus fans (and sponsors) are no longer enough. Serie A has for years now lost market shares to England and Spain.
 

Dadi-SK

Senior Member
Jan 30, 2011
3,688
I think people are exagerrating a bit with this Serie A reputation bullshit. In my eyes, currently Serie A is only behind EPL and at least equal with La Liga.
 

Nzoric

Grazie Mirko
Jan 16, 2011
37,877
I think people are exagerrating a bit with this Serie A reputation bullshit. In my eyes, currently Serie A is only behind EPL and at least equal with La Liga.
No way are we equal with La Liga. Falcao signed for the team who are always 4-6 - Falcao . They've got way more appeal than us.
 

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