[CL] Champions League 2012/13 (60 Viewers)

[Fred]

Hey Fred, trolling aside, is Bendtner that bad?

I have never and will never troll when it comes to Arsenal players mate

I seriously and sincerely wish him the very best wherever he goes, i really do hope he has a successful career. The guy tried and gave his all for the team whenever given the chance.

That being said, i really do not think he is anywhere near good enough to be playing for Juventus, and was shocked at the news to be honest. He has a very poor first touch, and is not a very intelligent player at all. While his confidence can be positive, as it makes him not afraid to play even against the best of teams and defenders, it can also be negative, because its misplaced, he doesn't have the talent to back it up. Too many times, he tries fancy flicks or moves to the flanks and tries to take on defenders, when skill and dribbling ability are not attributes that he has. I think he would develop a lot if he kept it simple and took advantage of his strength and height instead. Even then, his finishing is hot and cold, can be good sometimes, and ridiculously bad at others. All in all, i think he is a an average player that should be in a midtable club.

Moving to Juve will be good for his career though, he'll learn a lot i'm sure even if he probably will not succeed.

---------- Post added 31.08.2012 at 19:35 ----------

So? Shall we hate Pirlo too?

Your hate-list would be too big for you with all the players who left Arsenal.

You would hate Pirlo if he never came to Juve, no? unless you were an Italien fan.

If Mourinho coached Juve, of course i'd understand if Juve fans loved him, but for now he didn't.

 

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[Trequartista]

I have never and will never troll when it comes to Arsenal players mate

I seriously and sincerely wish him the very best wherever he goes, i really do hope he has a successful career. The guy tried and gave his all for the team whenever given the chance.

That being said, i really do not think he is anywhere near good enough to be playing for Juventus, and was shocked at the news to be honest. He has a very poor first touch, and is not a very intelligent player at all. While his confidence can be positive, as it makes him not afraid to play even against the best of teams and defenders, it can also be negative, because its misplaced, he doesn't have the talent to back it up. Too many times, he tries fancy flicks or moves to the flanks and tries to take on defenders, when skill and dribbling ability are not attributes that he has. I think he would develop a lot if he kept it simple and took advantage of his strength and height instead. Even then, his finishing is hot and cold, can be good sometimes, and ridiculously bad at others. All in all, i think he is a an average player that should be in a midtable club.

Moving to Juve will be good for his career though, he'll learn a lot i'm sure even if he probably will not succeed.

Thanks for the response.

Well, if Conte turned Pepe, Bonucci and others into decent players, who knows what he can do with Bendtner

 

[Fred]

Thanks for the response.

Well, if Conte turned Pepe, Bonucci and others into decent players, who knows what he can do with Bendtner

Wenger made the Flamster and Hleb look like decent players once, and he couldn't do anything with Nicklas so don't keep your hopes high

 

[Klin]

You would hate Pirlo if he never came to Juve, no? unless you were an Italien fan.

If Mourinho coached Juve, of course i'd understand if Juve fans loved him, but for now he didn't.

Why would I hate Pirlo? He was a fantastic player. No reason to hate him.

Same with Mourniho. He's one of the best coaches out there. No reason to hate him for that neither. Would love to have him coach my club someday.

 

[Fred]

Why would I hate Pirlo? He was a fantastic player. No reason to hate him.

Same with Mourniho. He's one of the best coaches out there. No reason to hate him for that neither. Would love to have him coach my club someday.

I'd love to have him coach my club too, like i'd love to have Cristiano Ronaldo at my club and Rooney. All people who i hate, but only because they play for/coach teams i hate.

 

[Klin]

I'd love to have him coach my club too, like i'd love to have Cristiano Ronaldo at my club and Rooney. All people who i hate, but only because they play for/coach teams i hate.

I don't see why I should hate someone just because they don't play for my team.

 

[Lion]

spoken like a butthurt arsenal fan

u mad arsenal will finish 7th.

 

[Salvatore]

Only goes to prove my point last season that Pep was massive for them.

I think there is a big probability that their domination days are over. Doesn't mean they can't win the league, because their squad is strong enough to beat the small teams in Spain regardless of the coach, it does mean, that they won't dominate and outclass Real Madrid and Mourinho as much as Pep's time, and it does mean they won't be guaranteed at least a semi final spot in the CL at the very least every season ala Pep's days.

Jose destroyed his confidence last season, and Pep saw no reason to continue battling when he saw he was losing.

I don't know Tito so I don't have much to say on whether he can be successful, but I think they've already peaked (back in 2011).

 

[Fred]

Jose destroyed his confidence last season, and Pep saw no reason to continue battling when he saw he was losing.

I don't know Tito so I don't have much to say on whether he can be successful, but I think they've already peaked (back in 2011).

That is BS, he was always there for the short term, thats why he only signed a 2 year contract before Mourinho was even in the picture.

Plus, how can Mourinho destroy Peps confidence? He spanked his arse so many times, outclassed him tactically so many times and humiliated him(5-0?) that its not even a contest.

 

[Salvatore]

That is BS, he was always there for the short term, thats why he only signed a 2 year contract before Mourinho was even in the picture.

Plus, how can Mourinho destroy Peps confidence? He spanked his arse so many times, outclassed him tactically so many times and humiliated him(5-0?) that its not even a contest.

I thought you might have seen that I was fishing for a reaction, oh well. I think it's more even between them than you'll care to admit though.

I'm one of few to think Pep has done a fantastic job with that team since he joined, I haven't got a bad word to say about him, like claiming a monkey could have done his job with that group of players.

 

[Nzoric]

outclassed tactically? the only tweak Pep did to the Barca way of playing was to make Messi a false 9 - other than that he did nothing. Do you see Barca changing the way they play when things aren't going good for them? No.

 

[Fred]

outclassed tactically? the only tweak Pep did to the Barca way of playing was to make Messi a false 9 - other than that he did nothing. Do you see Barca changing the way they play when things aren't going good for them? No.

He got them to master possession football, sometimes its about mastering what your good at rather than chopping and changing, fact of the matter is, his record against Mourinho is very impressive, you don't do that, no matter what your squad is against a coach like Mourinho.

the 3-1 victory over Real in the league in Santiago was all about tactically outclassing Mourinho.

 

[kingnike]

Didn't he also make Barcelona press further up the pitch?

 

[Alen]

I'm scared that Barca will win everything available right now. My only hope that they won't is the fact that Messi's still there.

Look at Spain without those two burdens called Pep and Messi. They win everything possible.

 

[Fred]

I'm scared that Barca will win everything available right now. My only hope that they won't is the fact that Messi's still there.

Look at Spain without those two burdens called Pep and Messi. They win everything possible.

Fuck what i would give for Pep to have one more year, looks like you boil at the very mention of his name

 

[Alen]

Fuck what i would give for Pep to have one more year, looks like you boil at the very mention of his name

I don't, but you must admit that the man chickened out. Mourinho stayed, Pep ran away. He was defeated and he ran away.

And it's a fact that Spain won everything while Barca were losing titles left and right in the 2008-2012 period. Pep had the luck to inherit most of the Spain 2008 team and most of those guys who won the CL in 2006. He had the players to win all the CLs, but he won only 2, on top of losing the league to Mourinho last year.

 

[Fred]

I don't, but you must admit that the man chickened out. Mourinho stayed, Pep ran away. He was defeated and he ran away.

And it's a fact that Spain won everything while Barca were losing titles left and right in the 2008-2012 period. Pep had the luck to inherit most of the Spain 2008 team and most of those guys who won the CL in 2006. He had the players to win all the CLs, but he won only 2, on top of losing the league to Mourinho last year.

Ya, i never thought you'd hate anything or anyone more than Milan, but Messi and Pep definitely changed that.

You don't think i'm really going to take the above argument seriously, right?

But Messi without Pep might not be as great, i have to admit. You know that well, and i think you might even be happier than Mourinho that Pep is finally gone

 

[Alen]

Ya, i never thought you'd hate anything or anyone more than Milan, but Messi and Pep definitely changed that.

You don't think i'm really going to take the above argument seriously, right?

But Messi without Pep might not be as great, i have to admit. You know that well, and i think you might even be happier than Mourinho that Pep is finally gone

Well, you do need to explain how can Spain win everything without Pep and Messi, but with Iniesta, Xavi and Del Bosque. And I mean - everything.

There had to be someone in Barca who was a problem, because Xavi and Iniesta kept winning with Spain, but were losing CLs and the league with Barca. Imo the problem was in Messi and Pep. Argentina proves how good is Messi without Iniesta and Xavi, while Pep's next club will prove how good of coach he really is.

 

[Nzoric]

He got them to master possession football, sometimes its about mastering what your good at rather than chopping and changing, fact of the matter is, his record against Mourinho is very impressive, you don't do that, no matter what your squad is against a coach like Mourinho.

the 3-1 victory over Real in the league in Santiago was all about tactically outclassing Mourinho.

His record against Mourinho is impressive? If you want to talk about tactically outclassing someone, let me refer you to Inter v Barca in their tripletta season.

 

[Fred]

Well, you do need to explain how can Spain win everything without Pep and Messi, but with Iniesta, Xavi and Del Bosque. And I mean - everything.

There had to be someone in Barca who was a problem, because Xavi and Iniesta kept winning with Spain, but were losing CLs and the league with Barca. Imo the problem was in Messi and Pep. Argentina proves how good is Messi without Iniesta and Xavi, while Pep's next club will prove how good of coach he really is.

Pep was a big part of the reason Spain are so great, he made Xavi and Iniesta into the WC players that they are, he did the same with Messi.

So actually even Messi might not have been as great if it weren't for Pep.

Oh and admit it, deep down inside, you are relieved Pep isn't there anymore, no?

---------- Post added 31.08.2012 at 21:41 ----------

His record against Mourinho is impressive? If you want to talk about tactically outclassing someone, let me refer you to Inter v Barca in their tripletta season.

Yes, go count how many times Mourinho won(in 90 minutes) and how many times Pep won. Come back when you have the number, if Pep's wins are less than double the special one's wins, then i'll concede defeat in this argument. See how easy i'm making it.