[CL] Champions League 2010/11 (12 Viewers)

[Sadomin]

People keep saying this as if the actions of Real Madrid players was perfect lol, the likes of Di Maria were just as bad as Pedro, Busquets and co in trying to get other players sent off.

Madrid players surronded the ref too, every Madrid player out there did the "Oh my God you didn't give the decision to me" face/actons to get the crowd riled up after every decision.

Frankly, it was just a really really poor game, frankly not even Messi (who's doesnt deserve to be tarred with the same brush as some of his teammates) couldn't erase that disgusting game.

Madrid are no saints, never have been and certainly weren't this game. But you seriously can't say that they were worse than Barca this game. Barca's cheating and mob tactics were strategic and not a chance that 11 Barca players (yes, Valdes as well) spontaneously were in the face of the ref after every single.

The likes of Marcelo, Pepe and Arbeloa can't be excused for playing dirty, but it had nowhere near the same effect on the game and besides, we all already acknowledge that they aren't gentlemen. And this is exactly the big problem with Barca - they are cunts and get away with it. Not the mere fact that they are cunts. Both on and off the pitch, their antics rarely result in punishment, criticism or a tarnishing of their reputation.

Barca is ideal football and we don't want that image ruined, do we?

 

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[cimenk]

Nope, one can play the game as much as he wants, but he was going for the ball, despite this picture telling another story. I watched it like million times. Pepe went for the ball even before Alves came close. The fact that it was a poor judgement by Pepe and that he wasn't capable to take the foot off, might make it a dangerous play, but not a malicious tackle. He went for the ball and he missed it by half a meter.

This pictures tells a false story.

So what if Pepe intends to get the ball, made a tackle, miss the ball, and break Alves legs.. It doesn't always about the intention the player had when he did the tackle.. Once the tackle he made is dangerous and can ruined his opponents career (if he got a long injured).. it deserves red card

And for me, Pepe's red is justified

 

[Sadomin]

So what if Pepe intends to get the ball, made a tackle, miss the ball, and break Alves legs.. It doesn't always about the intention the player had when he did the tackle.. Once the tackle he made is dangerous and can ruined his opponents career (if he got a long injured).. it deserves red card

And for me, Pepe's red is justified

Dangerous is not always equal to potentially career ending. You can make a case for it being dangerous play and deserving of a yellow at its height, but the theoretical intent is hardly that obvious for it to deserve a red. Pepe was a split second late after a 50/50 over a ball in the air, without going in with much pace even if he did so with his studs towards the ball. The likelyhood of injuring an Alves without his feet on the ground with such a tackle is not higher than in any other regular duel.

Even if you can find support for a straight red in the rules or make a case for it in theory due to the studs, punishing this would mean an average of two or three reds per game.

 

[Nicole]

Madrid are no saints, never have been and certainly weren't this game. But you seriously can't say that they were worse than Barca this game. Barca's cheating and mob tactics were strategic and not a chance that 11 Barca players (yes, Valdes as well) spontaneously were in the face of the ref after every single.

The likes of Marcelo, Pepe and Arbeloa can't be excused for playing dirty, but it had nowhere near the same effect on the game and besides, we all already acknowledge that they aren't gentlemen. And this is exactly the big problem with Barca - they are cunts and get away with it. Not the mere fact that they are cunts. Both on and off the pitch, their antics rarely result in punishment, criticism or a tarnishing of their reputation.

Barca is ideal football and we don't want that image ruined, do we?

Are you saying that Madrid's protests to the ref were spontaneous while Barca's were planned? No you can't defend Barca's antics, nor am I even trying too, I'm saying they were both bad.

Mourinho's teams have always, always done that ever since he was Porto boss, they've done everything little thing to get other teams sent-off or suspended, ganging on the ref, it happened all the time when he was Chelsea manager.

So really I just find it amusing the way he bitches and cries about it now and have no sympathy for him, especially when he sets out his teams like he did yesterday.

 

[Sadomin]

Let me put it this way:

In an ideal world where the rules are interpreted and enforced exactly as they could be by a very strict referee, on every single occasion, this would have been the result:

Studs up tackle - red (Pepe)
Intentional elbow - red (Messi)
Stomping a player on the ground - red (Marcelo)
Playacting - yellow (Pedro, Busquets, Di Maria, Dani Alves etc...)
Repeated playacting - red (Pedro, Busquets, Di Maria, Dani Alves etc...)

Players remaining on the pitch: 15

Out of all this above, only Pepe was punished. And now, I decided to not award yellow cards for complaining and shouting to the referee.

So why is this the case? Biased refs? Poor, but objective refs? The player's behaviour and/or reputation?

 

[Nicole]

Let me put it this way:

In an ideal world where the rules are interpreted and enforced exactly as they could be by a very strict referee, on every single occasion, this would have been the result:

Studs up tackle - red (Pepe)
Intentional elbow - red (Messi)
Stomping a player on the ground - red (Marcelo)
Playacting - yellow (Pedro, Busquets, Di Maria, Dani Alves etc...)
Repeated playacting - red (Pedro, Busquets, Di Maria, Dani Alves etc...)

Players remaining on the pitch: 15

Out of all this above, only Pepe was punished. And now, I decided to not award yellow cards for complaining and shouting to the referee.

So why is this the case? Biased refs? Poor, but objective refs? The player's behaviour and/or reputation?

You cant really ref that type of game like that, or as you said you'd end up with 15 players on the pitch and the ref would get slated by every single media outlay in the world and probably lose his standing at FIFA/UEFA.

The ref's job was difficult already, and made 10x harder by players of both teams acting like idiots.

 

[Azzurri7]

Why Mourinho isn't playing Kaka btw?

 

[chester]

Probably for the same reason he isn't playing Benzema

 

[PhRoZeN]

Barca to rape Manure United in the final while Rooney rolls around in a pool of mud to drown his sorrows!

Amen to that.

Barca deserved the victory last night, dirty play aside, whoever plays the best football deserves to go and win the CL IMO and any neutral fan should accept that. Though my bias and hatred for Utd is much more

 

[Alen]

For those doubting the red card:

If Ibra makes the same faulth against Chiellini and only get yellow and scores the winning goal afterwards, what would you all be shouting?

Secondly,
If Lucio makes the same faulth on Matri as Marcello did on Pedro, I bet many would be asking for a red card.

Thirdly,

What a goal by Messi (the 2nd that is)

And finally,

I am no fanboy, but the haters also need to be reasonable with regard to the ref's decisions because the red card for Pepe is given in 90% of the cases for these faulths and Marcelo should have also gotten red.

Amazing how the same people ALWAYS defend this team and even more, find ways to make it look that Barca was actually the team damaged by the refs.
Good thing you noticed Marcelo stepping on Pedro's foot. Why didn't you notice Messi elbowing a Real player on purpose when he was on the ground?

It happens once that Barca get help from the ref and the same people find an excuse. It happens twice, it happens three times (always in the knock out stages of CL when Barca aren't winning), it happens the 4th time and again the same story.

I obviously can't do anything but accept that Shevchenko fouled Puyol and his goal was rightfully disallowed, Overbo rightfully didn't show 2-3 penalties for Chelsea, Van Persie deserved a second yellow, Busquets didn't act and Motta deserved a red card and yesterday the referee didn't punish Real for the very same fouls that went unpunished when Barca were making them.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

You cant really ref that type of game like that, or as you said you'd end up with 15 players on the pitch and the ref would get slated by every single media outlay in the world and probably lose his standing at FIFA/UEFA.

The ref's job was difficult already, and made 10x harder by players of both teams acting like idiots.

That's bullshit! A referee should stick to the rule book. If indeed 7 players get sent off, then blame the players and not the referee. It's not his fault that players kicked and elbowed each other. And it's not his fault that the rule book asks him to send those players off.

But you need to blame the referee if he does not punish the offenders. He cannot let these fouls pass on because of the clubs that are playing. He should not bow to such things. The players should obey the referee, not the other way round!

 

[king Ale]

Look at this, you guys can't be seriously that blind. It was NOT a red.

 

[Alen]

Look at this, you guys can't be seriously that blind. It was NOT a red.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8647D3c5lFc&feature=player_embedded

Wait, did Pepe actually touch the ball there?
It never looked on the other videos that he got a touch. From this video it looks like his foot goes off the ball into Alves' leg. Pepe didn't even have time to think about kicking Alves when the ball was lost. It's almost like Alves kicking the ball harder resulted with Pepe's foot being pushed higher into Alves' leg.

Edit: Actually, the bare fact that Pepe got the ball first and only then Alves' leg (with the same foot) makes it a clean tackle, not even a yellow card offense. We see hundreds of times how some tackles are dangerous and even injure a player but they're not punished because of the "ball first" rule. Marcelo too got the ball first and then Pedro, but the referee rightfully said play on. In this case it was a red card even though Pepe first got the ball and only then the leg?

Another daylight robbery.

Fanboys to disagree in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1...

 

[king Ale]

Exactly. He went for the ball and he got the ball first. A game changing decision in favor of Barca again, right when they were struggling to play their game. Pathetic.

 

[Juve_Kosova]

You guys still talk about the red card.. Damn

 

[king Ale]

Come back when the talk is over.

 

[Toro_Merda]

It is a crystal clear yellow card for Pepe that tackle!!! But the red card he got could have a history, he could have been warned orally by the referee on several occasions before the situation to watch out because he has been spared for other tackles...

 

[am0110]

Look at this, you guys can't be seriously that blind. It was NOT a red.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8647D3c5lFc&feature=player_embedded

he could easily moveed his foot to the left and get the ball,instead he streatched it and aimed at Alves shin, usual stuff from Pepe, an idiot that cost Real M. a game

 

[king Ale]

He had no intention to harm Alves, it's obvious in all replays but teams who play against Barca must end up with 10 or 9 so football could win

 

[PhRoZeN]

It was interesting to see cristiano ronaldo midway through first half raising his hands at the real bench as he didnt seem happy with the tactics mourinho had deployed. Mourinho ignored it, knowing what exactly he had to do. It was all about how Real came out to play and paid their own price.