[CL] Bayern München 0-0 Juventus Sept. 30th 2009 (7 Viewers)

Ahmed

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Sep 3, 2006
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Just because Grygera has no offensive game whatsoever doesn't mean he's solid defensively. He's shit all around. No pace, no agility or acceleration. Mediocre in the air. Positioning is his best attribute but what good is that if you have the mobility of a desk chair?

And I can't believe how many times Ribery caught a ball in open space behind Grygera. At least 3 times Grygera had to sprint back to get in a position to defend Ribery.
that's because we would give up the ball cheaply in MF with the team pressing forward...no way Grygo is ever gonna catch Ribery
 

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only-juve

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Jan 5, 2008
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on what evidence? the 10 mins he has played this season?
Well its clear that del piero is much slower than he used to be plus he can hardly last for 90 minutes on the pitch (check out last season games).

Still he can have those magical moments when he scores from a brilliant freekick or gives a great assist but overall he's performance is pretty average.
 

Tomice

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Mar 25, 2009
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Well its clear that del piero is much slower than he used to be plus he can hardly last for 90 minutes on the pitch (check out last season games).

Still he can have those magical moments when he scores from a brilliant freekick or gives a great assist but overall he's performance is pretty average.
:sergio:

Is he for real ?
 

JuveJay

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Mar 6, 2007
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Just because Grygera has no offensive game whatsoever doesn't mean he's solid defensively. He's shit all around. No pace, no agility or acceleration. Mediocre in the air. Positioning is his best attribute but what good is that if you have the mobility of a desk chair?

And I can't believe how many times Ribery caught a ball in open space behind Grygera. At least 3 times Grygera had to sprint back to get in a position to defend Ribery.
My desk chair is pretty mobile, has wheels and everything. I can only see one right back around who could possibly get near Ribery on that form, and he isn't going to be signing for us.
 

Ahmed

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Sep 3, 2006
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Well its clear that del piero is much slower than he used to be plus he can hardly last for 90 minutes on the pitch (check out last season games).

Still he can have those magical moments when he scores from a brilliant freekick or gives a great assist but overall he's performance is pretty average.
Del Piero has been slow for 10 years now, it is not an aspect of his game that affect's is performance that much...as for last season, Ranieri would always sub Ale early like an asshole
 

Snoop

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Oct 2, 2001
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I would start Zebina over Grygera as well, but that is because he is more suited to the 4-3-1-2 due to his superior attacking ability.

When it comes to being a pure defensive fullback, I'll take Grygera over Zebina every time.
pure defensive fullback? Come on man, maybe 2 seasons ago he was better than this, I liked him back then too, but from last season and till now, he keeps making errors after another, most of the time he is a terrible defender these days. You will lose your patience on him one day, I am sure of that.

Grosso is disappointing too these days, he is doing a little better than the other fullbacks (except Zebina), and is much better than De Ceglie and Molinaro combined, but still not enough, we need a right and left backs to not have games like these against the giants, and this is only Bayern btw, not those English teams or the Spaniards..
 

Luca

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Apr 22, 2007
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However, it would be very unfair not to give Grygera some praise for keeping one of the best wingers in the world quiet for almost the entire second half.
I'll agree with that part simply because he kept his head and didn't get go completely crazy with the amount of runs ribery was making over him. Given ribery's quality he's lucky to be alive.
So :tup: on that part but could you really ever have predicted ribery getting silenced by grygera? No. And everyones got enough sense to know that, so considering my premonitions of this he wasn't massacred.
 

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pure defensive fullback? Come on man, maybe 2 seasons ago he was better than this, I liked him back then too, but from last season and till now, he keeps making errors after another, most of the time he is a terrible defender these days. You will lose your patience on him one day, I am sure of that.

Grosso is disappointing too these days, he is doing a little better than the other fullbacks (except Zebina), and is much better than De Ceglie and Molinaro combined, but still not enough, we need a right and left backs to not have games like these against the giants, and this is only Bayern btw, not those English teams or the Spaniards..
I agree that new fullbacks are needed on both sides for Juve to become a really top team.

None of the English teams have wingers as dangerous as Robben and Ribery at the moment.

Only Barca and Real are at a similar level to Bayern when it comes to wide players.
 

C4ISR

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We were furious after the Genoa match, and responded with 1 half of football vs Bologna. We were going for a win here, yet never looked remotely interested. Even if this is a good result, I can’t help be feel disappointed.

Our gameplan was dangerous. We invited Bayern to win the game by letting them set the tempo. This was made worse since we couldn’t keep possession or close them down effectively. Allowing them space to create chance after chance, without a worry of a counter-attack (as proven by how far up Lahm was in the 2nd), is never a smart gameplan. All it takes is a tiny mistake, a deflection, a foul, a moment of brilliance, etc, to lose the match, yet we allowed Bayern to apply all the pressure. Considering the circumstances of our match a few days earlier (stopped attacking, less aggressive in midfield), you would have thought we would not pull the same tactic away against a much stronger side.

As for individual performances, I thought our defense did well. Legro in particular was a surprise. It was the only area of the pitch where we played as a unit. Our midfield and attack were on different wavelengths, and they rarely linked up.

As for the Poulsen change, it was a very unambitious sub, however, we didn't really have any options in terms of midfielders. Tiago was probably not fit enough to play 30 minutes of football on the backfoot. With that said, it is never a positive thing to see Juventus going for a tie 60 minutes into the game.

We are extremely lucky to walk away with a pt here. Bayern were clearly the better side and thoroughly deserved a win. These type of away performances will not get you far in the CL, and although I am still confident of our chances of qualifying, I hope we approach the away legs of our knockout games a lot differently.
 

Ahmed

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could we have predicted Ribery being silenced by Zebina or Caceres? I doubt it...Ciro made the right choice in playing Grygo vs. Ribery
 

Ken

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Aug 17, 2007
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could we have predicted Ribery being silenced by Zebina or Caceres? I doubt it...Ciro made the right choice in playing Grygo vs. Ribery
Maybe, but I can't help but think Zebina is stronger and faster, which wouldn't have been a bad thing. Grygera just lacks pace to defend a player like Ribéry.
 

Osman

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Aug 30, 2002
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Well its clear that del piero is much slower than he used to be plus he can hardly last for 90 minutes on the pitch (check out last season games).

Still he can have those magical moments when he scores from a brilliant freekick or gives a great assist but overall he's performance is pretty average.
Most assists last year, and most goals last year. Most goals the year before that, and 2nd most assists (after Zanetti), the year before that? Most assists again, and most goals. need I continue?
 

Luca

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Apr 22, 2007
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Del Piero has been slow for 10 years now, it is not an aspect of his game that affect's is performance that much...as for last season, Ranieri would always sub Ale early like an asshole
Alex is still as fast as anyone on the turn and he knows his speeds gone so he adapted to short turns and it's made him great these last few years just a little flick here and twist of his body and he's turned his man and now he's got loads ofoptions ahead. This happens countless times.
I think we need him back this weekend, it will be a huge boost and hopefull kick start a winning mentality again :)
 

Tomice

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Mar 25, 2009
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Most assists last year, and most goals last year. Most goals the year before that, and 2nd most assists (after Zanetti), the year before that? Most assists again, and most goals. need I continue?
Why do you even feel the need to explain it to him ?
 

Ken

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Aug 17, 2007
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Most assists last year, and most goals last year. Most goals the year before that, and 2nd most assists (after Zanetti), the year before that? Most assists again, and most goals. need I continue?
Some people just can't leave him alone. The man's been injured and barely played at all so far, yet people write him off again. It's truely sad.

I tried to just ignore that post at first.
 

Red

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Nov 26, 2006
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Folk going on about Del Piero's (lack of) pace. :disagree:

The first yard is in the mind, so he has a head start on the vast majority of defenders.
 

Ahmed

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Maybe, but I can't help but think Zebina is stronger and faster, which wouldn't have been a bad thing. Grygera just lacks pace to defend a player like Ribéry.
and Zebina lacks the positioning/sense/skill to defend a player like a Ribery...I just don't trust Jonathan at all in these kind of matchups...and if we are expecting Grygo to bomb forward and create goals, then well, we have much bigger problems that Grygera vs. Ribery...we are not Inter and do not rely heavily as they do with Maicon
 

Snoop

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Oct 2, 2001
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I agree that new fullbacks are needed on both sides for Juve to become a really top team.

None of the English teams have wingers as dangerous as Robben and Ribery at the moment.

Only Barca and Real are at a similar level to Bayern when it comes to wide players.
True that but they would still cause us loads of troubles with these fullbacks we have..

5 matches 4 draws, even though it was a very good result, but this run should stop, starting against Palermo which isn't any easy task..
 

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