Ciro Immobile (322 Viewers)
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Conveniently forgotten in that little comparison...
Alvaro Morata ~ 22
Ciro Immobile ~ 25
Why on earth is a Juventus fan so butthurt about Ciro Immobile flopping for Dortmund? It's much better for us to know we got a great deal in selling the guy for 20 mil, which is certainly how it looks right now.
Alvaro Morata ~ 22
Ciro Immobile ~ 25
Why on earth is a Juventus fan so butthurt about Ciro Immobile flopping for Dortmund? It's much better for us to know we got a great deal in selling the guy for 20 mil, which is certainly how it looks right now.
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I wonder how Morata would do if he had played 180 minutes against FC St Pauli (BL 2) and Dynamo Dresden (BL 3). Probably score 5 or 6. 
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Being benched as CF for Aubameyang, who is not a striker, but a natural winger... Immobile hasn't played a single minute in the Bundesliga for 4 rounds. Yep, that's called flopping. 
What's your definition of flop RUS?
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Juventino[RUS];4840001 said:
The spring of 2015 - the striker with 10 goals and 3 more months to play in all comps suddenly became flop 
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What's your definition of flop RUS?
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You're avoiding the question RUS...
Not playing 1 single minute in the last 4 rounds of Bundesliga action... BvB has won each of those 4 matches, by the way. BvBs record in the Bundesliga with Immobile starting. 0 wins-6 losses-3 draws.
So again. What's your definition of a flop, at a cost of 20 mil?
Not playing 1 single minute in the last 4 rounds of Bundesliga action... BvB has won each of those 4 matches, by the way. BvBs record in the Bundesliga with Immobile starting. 0 wins-6 losses-3 draws.
So again. What's your definition of a flop, at a cost of 20 mil?
It's up to coach and his vision, in the same time he has started both games in the CL and in the coppa and has scored 2 goals, and morata wasn't used 4 times in the current season too, so what?!
The definition of flop is pretty simple - Shevchenko to Chelsea, Kaka to Real etc, when you expect a lot but you get little, Immobile is underperfoming but who doesn't in Borussia?! Probably only Reus and Auba, and even Auba had his awful period in the current season, all others - Gundogan, Subotic, Hummels, Weidenfeller, Mkhitaryan etc. are nothing but the shadows of themselves, yet you put all the blame on Immobile like typical TUZ football analytic, he still managed to score 10 goals, i guess he will finish with 15 and it's good result for the 1st season without any doubt
The definition of flop is pretty simple - Shevchenko to Chelsea, Kaka to Real etc, when you expect a lot but you get little, Immobile is underperfoming but who doesn't in Borussia?! Probably only Reus and Auba, and even Auba had his awful period in the current season, all others - Gundogan, Subotic, Hummels, Weidenfeller, Mkhitaryan etc. are nothing but the shadows of themselves, yet you put all the blame on Immobile like typical TUZ football analytic, he still managed to score 10 goals, i guess he will finish with 15 and it's good result for the 1st season without any doubt
That is true, though that doesn't mean we should judge the transfer too early or undermine any good performance he has just so that we feel better about letting him go.
RUS has a point (I can't believe I just said that), they are all under-performing with 1 or 2 exceptions. What that tells us is that he is not the kind of player that can keep his performance levels high when his team as a whole is struggling. The same applies to the rest of the squad with the exception of Reus.
If Dortmund get back to form and all the squad returns to their old performance levels with Immobile banging in goals more regularly, then that terrible period would still be indicative of his relatively weak character compared to Reus. The same applies to Hummels, Subotic, all the others and even Klopp himself. This poor period is permanently in the evaluation of every Dortmund player and the coach but that does not mean that the players will always be this poor.
Give Immobile sometime where the team is performing and he is not. And if he doesn't ever return to delivering good performances then I'd call him a flop.
RUS has a point (I can't believe I just said that), they are all under-performing with 1 or 2 exceptions. What that tells us is that he is not the kind of player that can keep his performance levels high when his team as a whole is struggling. The same applies to the rest of the squad with the exception of Reus.
If Dortmund get back to form and all the squad returns to their old performance levels with Immobile banging in goals more regularly, then that terrible period would still be indicative of his relatively weak character compared to Reus. The same applies to Hummels, Subotic, all the others and even Klopp himself. This poor period is permanently in the evaluation of every Dortmund player and the coach but that does not mean that the players will always be this poor.
Give Immobile sometime where the team is performing and he is not. And if he doesn't ever return to delivering good performances then I'd call him a flop.
Sorry. This just isn't true. Dortmund's massive increase in form in the Bundesliga happened with Immobile's benching, and the switch of Aubameyang into the centre forward role. They've won 4 straight games since the switch happened.
Their record with Immobile starting in Bundesliga is 0 wins-6 losses-3 draws
Their record with Immobile starting on the bench in Bundesliga is 8 wins-5 losses-1 draw
If you discount his 3 Cup goals against lower division sides, a div 2, and a div 3 side, he has 7 goals in 1325 minutes. That's pathetic.
Any way you look at it, he's been a flop so far. Could he turn things around? Sure he could. But he certainly has shown just how limited a striker he is.
Aside from this. Scoring two goals against a Bunde 3 side isn't impressive at all. It's laughable to think otherwise.
Their record with Immobile starting in Bundesliga is 0 wins-6 losses-3 draws
Their record with Immobile starting on the bench in Bundesliga is 8 wins-5 losses-1 draw
If you discount his 3 Cup goals against lower division sides, a div 2, and a div 3 side, he has 7 goals in 1325 minutes. That's pathetic.
Any way you look at it, he's been a flop so far. Could he turn things around? Sure he could. But he certainly has shown just how limited a striker he is.
Aside from this. Scoring two goals against a Bunde 3 side isn't impressive at all. It's laughable to think otherwise.
Yeah, it had nothing to do with Reus, Gungdogan, Sahin all getting to start together around that time for the first time since god knows when.
BvB has no technical ability to break down teams without those players in top form. Immobile plays well when BvB plays well. Don't ignore his CL record. In his first season in CL he has scored in 4 games out of 6. But world class strikers play well despite their team's performances...
BvB has no technical ability to break down teams without those players in top form. Immobile plays well when BvB plays well. Don't ignore his CL record. In his first season in CL he has scored in 4 games out of 6. But world class strikers play well despite their team's performances...
Ummm... They started the week prior in the 1-0 home loss to Augsburg, in which Immobile did nothing. They also started against Juve in case you forgot, another match in which Immobile did nothing.
I already went over this in the week leading up to our first round CL tie against them, but the biggest change for BvB over the past several rounds was a shift in formation, that allowed Reus to return to the wing, instead of playing central, behind a front 3 in a 4-2-1-3. Aubameyang being shifted to CF, and Reus and Kampl on the wings, with Gundogan or Kagawa playing in the hole behind. They've won 4 straight BL matches with this attack, and scored 13 goals in the process.
Kampl got injured against Stuttgart, this was the only reason Immobile saw the pitch against Juve. Klopp had to rethink his front 3 and decided to try Immobile back in the centre with Aubameyang and Reus on the wings, with a mix of Gundogan and Mikh behind. Immobile did fuck all, so he was benched again for the next league encounter, and Mikh was put on the wing opposite Reus.
If you seriously think it's normal for a their "star" summer forward signing to be benched for 4 straight BL matches, not even see 1 minute on the pitch, you're crazy. And if you think he wasn't a big part of their anemic offense... Same thing. BvB created more chances in almost every BL game they have drawn or lost this year. It's just that Immobile and Ramos were appalling with their finishing, and the team made a large number of defensive errors.
Also, BvB played pretty well against Juve. Immobile sucked.
I already went over this in the week leading up to our first round CL tie against them, but the biggest change for BvB over the past several rounds was a shift in formation, that allowed Reus to return to the wing, instead of playing central, behind a front 3 in a 4-2-1-3. Aubameyang being shifted to CF, and Reus and Kampl on the wings, with Gundogan or Kagawa playing in the hole behind. They've won 4 straight BL matches with this attack, and scored 13 goals in the process.
Kampl got injured against Stuttgart, this was the only reason Immobile saw the pitch against Juve. Klopp had to rethink his front 3 and decided to try Immobile back in the centre with Aubameyang and Reus on the wings, with a mix of Gundogan and Mikh behind. Immobile did fuck all, so he was benched again for the next league encounter, and Mikh was put on the wing opposite Reus.
If you seriously think it's normal for a their "star" summer forward signing to be benched for 4 straight BL matches, not even see 1 minute on the pitch, you're crazy. And if you think he wasn't a big part of their anemic offense... Same thing. BvB created more chances in almost every BL game they have drawn or lost this year. It's just that Immobile and Ramos were appalling with their finishing, and the team made a large number of defensive errors.
Also, BvB played pretty well against Juve. Immobile sucked.
I am not denying that he has been under-performing but he is far from the only one. You are making it seem like the whole collapse is because of him. Unless he was starting ahead of maradona, I don't see how he is the difference between their good form and their bad. They still had 5 losses and a draw without him and they did have very good CL performances with him as a key player in those games. The pairing of Reus and Aubameyang might be better but that doesn't mean he is total shit. If this was Hummels first season you'd have judged him to be shit too.
Give the man time. Its his first season in Germany and his club collapsed. The greater onus is on the coach and the rest of the players who have been there for years.
Give the man time. Its his first season in Germany and his club collapsed. The greater onus is on the coach and the rest of the players who have been there for years.
i believe, out of all the players Juve owns and have loaned out, about three have the potential to actually play for Juve in the next season. Berardi,Gabbiadini and Rugani. The other players would be lucky to be a bench player.
It could also be that Gabbiadini doesn't want to play for Juve, like Immobile.
It could also be that Gabbiadini doesn't want to play for Juve, like Immobile.
