What I'd like to see is how he manages against packed defences which we normally play against 95% of the time
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If Giovinco had fulfilled his potential and performed like Lavezzi did with Napoli for instance, would @Cronios have thought that we overpaid for his half? You can only say this now in hindsight.
Everyone and I mean everyone that was on this forum were swearing by Giovinco's talent during the ranieri and Ferrara days. Even neutrals thought he'd definitely become world class. He then went to parma and did incredibly well. There is no way marrotta could have had the foresight to see that Gio would eventually turn out an average player.
Thats similar to buying Lukaku's half for 10 million and then he flops.
Giovinco would have been an absolute steal had he fulfilled the potential that we all without exception believed in.
Everyone and I mean everyone that was on this forum were swearing by Giovinco's talent during the ranieri and Ferrara days. Even neutrals thought he'd definitely become world class. He then went to parma and did incredibly well. There is no way marrotta could have had the foresight to see that Gio would eventually turn out an average player.
Thats similar to buying Lukaku's half for 10 million and then he flops.
Giovinco would have been an absolute steal had he fulfilled the potential that we all without exception believed in.
This post contains the essence of what we did wrong.
And no, we cannot accuse MArotta now, because Giovinco did not deliver his Parma perfromance with us, of course that would be too much for a manager of his class, to realise if the player really is Juve material or not, if he can really adapt on our system or not. Only professional managers could have known that and Marotta is not one of them!
What i was expecting from Marotta though was to use common sense and not gift away Giovinco's half for that ridiculous price, because there was an extremely high probability that we will want to bring the player back.
He was the most talented youngster we owned, for him alone, he should not make a loan with an option to buy deal.
I refuse to believe that striaght loan deals are now absoute and no club in the world wouldnt have been interested to receive the services of such a talented player without paying the full fee.
It is because of MArotta's extremely bad negotiating skills that we give up the player's half contract on such a low price. This is obvious by every player MArotta sells.
As it also obvious that we overpay for almost every player we buy.
In a co own deal, it means that we lose two times because of that, one time when we sell the 50% lower than we should and one time when we overpay in order to get it back.
From all the young players we own, there 4-5 of them (Sorensen, Masi, MAronne and Immobile) htat are so talented in comparison with most of the players of their age, that we know that we are going to get tem back one day.
For these players we should be more carefull.
And no, we cannot accuse MArotta now, because Giovinco did not deliver his Parma perfromance with us, of course that would be too much for a manager of his class, to realise if the player really is Juve material or not, if he can really adapt on our system or not. Only professional managers could have known that and Marotta is not one of them!
What i was expecting from Marotta though was to use common sense and not gift away Giovinco's half for that ridiculous price, because there was an extremely high probability that we will want to bring the player back.
He was the most talented youngster we owned, for him alone, he should not make a loan with an option to buy deal.
I refuse to believe that striaght loan deals are now absoute and no club in the world wouldnt have been interested to receive the services of such a talented player without paying the full fee.
It is because of MArotta's extremely bad negotiating skills that we give up the player's half contract on such a low price. This is obvious by every player MArotta sells.
As it also obvious that we overpay for almost every player we buy.
In a co own deal, it means that we lose two times because of that, one time when we sell the 50% lower than we should and one time when we overpay in order to get it back.
From all the young players we own, there 4-5 of them (Sorensen, Masi, MAronne and Immobile) htat are so talented in comparison with most of the players of their age, that we know that we are going to get tem back one day.
For these players we should be more carefull.
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Caceres - naturally right/left back, plays as central defender
Asamoah - naturally dm/cm, plays as left winger
Lichtsteiner - naturally right back, plays as right winger
Isla - naturally b2b central midfielder, plays as right winger
Giovinco - naturally second striker or lw, plays as central forward
Padoin - naturally right winger, plays as central midfielder more often
Vucinic - naturally left attacking winger, plays as central forward
Peluso - naturally left back, plays as left winger
Asamoah - naturally dm/cm, plays as left winger
Lichtsteiner - naturally right back, plays as right winger
Isla - naturally b2b central midfielder, plays as right winger
Giovinco - naturally second striker or lw, plays as central forward
Padoin - naturally right winger, plays as central midfielder more often
Vucinic - naturally left attacking winger, plays as central forward
Peluso - naturally left back, plays as left winger
Isla - he even used as right back in his national team, so what?! He was used as b2b midfielder at his best season in Udinese - http://www.whoscored.com/Matches/542962/Live http://www.whoscored.com/Matches/542943/Live and he was perfect at that position
His runs from the central zone were perfect, i thought that every Serie A fan knows it
Gio does play as central forward, that's the problem, he is always too far away from our central midfielders, we could try 3511 but Conte doesn't want it so we stuck with 352
Padoin was/is a winger - for atalanta he even played as LM often http://www.whoscored.com/Matches/543001/Live http://www.whoscored.com/Matches/543065/Live http://www.whoscored.com/Matches/543102/Live
Get ur facts straight, only then open up ur mouth
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Yes, he is very verstaile, that's why we love him, but he was signed to play as right back in Juventus 2009, then in Sevilla, then again in Juventus in 2012, that what i meant
His runs from the central zone were perfect, i thought that every Serie A fan knows it
Gio does play as central forward, that's the problem, he is always too far away from our central midfielders, we could try 3511 but Conte doesn't want it so we stuck with 352
Padoin was/is a winger - for atalanta he even played as LM often http://www.whoscored.com/Matches/543001/Live http://www.whoscored.com/Matches/543065/Live http://www.whoscored.com/Matches/543102/Live
Get ur facts straight, only then open up ur mouth
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Yes, he is very verstaile, that's why we love him, but he was signed to play as right back in Juventus 2009, then in Sevilla, then again in Juventus in 2012, that what i meant
Just because a player can play in a position doesn't mean that is his natural position. Your whole argument is that our team is being played out of position yet you provided me with games in which the players didn't play the position you stated.
Isla is a wingback who can play as a cm
Gio is not a center forward and just cause we line up with 2 forwards doesn't imply they are both centerforwards.
Padoin plays cm and as a wingback for us
Isla is a wingback who can play as a cm
Gio is not a center forward and just cause we line up with 2 forwards doesn't imply they are both centerforwards.
Padoin plays cm and as a wingback for us
Former Genoa director of sport Daniele Delli Carri has stated that the Grifone needed to show Torino striker Ciro Immobile more trust in his abilities when he was at the club.
Immobile spent the 2012-2013 season with the Rossoblu, but was largely ineffective scoring five goals and adding three assists in 34 appearances.
“[Immobile] needs to be on the confidence, just so his performance goes beyond its limits,” Delli Carri told Tuttosport.
“That confidence is what he probably lacked. Comparatively, if [Fiorentina Winger Juan] Cuadrado who has two years left on his contract and plays a different position is valued by Udinese at €13 million, then I don’t think Immobile could be for less.”
The 24 year old Immobile has been scoring regularly this season for the Granata, tallying 18 goals in Serie A. He is currently tied with Juventus’ Carlos Tevez as top scorer
Immobile spent the 2012-2013 season with the Rossoblu, but was largely ineffective scoring five goals and adding three assists in 34 appearances.
“[Immobile] needs to be on the confidence, just so his performance goes beyond its limits,” Delli Carri told Tuttosport.
“That confidence is what he probably lacked. Comparatively, if [Fiorentina Winger Juan] Cuadrado who has two years left on his contract and plays a different position is valued by Udinese at €13 million, then I don’t think Immobile could be for less.”
The 24 year old Immobile has been scoring regularly this season for the Granata, tallying 18 goals in Serie A. He is currently tied with Juventus’ Carlos Tevez as top scorer
