Ciro Immobile (17 Viewers)

[Cronios]

Giovinco and Immobile have no personal magical connection. One failed to live up to expectations. That has absolutely no impact on Immobile.

I am not reffering to Immobile's perpsective with us. I am reffering to the fact that that they both were considered one of the most talented forwards of their generation, that we were concious of their potential, we were owning their contract and we were only waiting for them to become of age, until they will be given a chance to compete in Juve's level.
They way MArotta has handled their contracts with those loans with an option to buy is one and the same.

Being such talents, he ought not accept a loan with an option to buy, or at least get a decent ammount for their value, close to their potential, or decide the ammount of the 50% after his season there, or impose a buy back clause, close to the value the club that benefits from their services has invested for their contract, or at least give us the opportunity to get him back, without owning the full contract and hand them 50% from a future sale, or asking them to pay the other 50% if they want to keep the player.

There are a variety of options to chooce from, as we are the ones having on our hands the player's contract
at any case, we should avoid getting hard owned as we did in Giovinco's case, strictly speaking from the financial/managerial perspective of the player's ownwership.
Owing the contracts of such talents ought to give us a financial advantage, we cannot keep losing money with every deal we are completing...

 

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[Juventino[RUS]]

In Serie A he'd scored 5 goals in a season. His Serie B scoring was in a Zeman team with Insigne and Verratti assisting...

Pff
13/14 - 18 goals 3 assists 2181 minutes on the field - starting role, primary forward, solo goals 4, assited goals 14, was assisted by - Cerci 2, El Kaddouri 3, Bovo 1, Kurtic 1, Vives 1, Meggironi 1, Darmian 3, Moretti 2
12/13 - 5 goals 3 assists 2031 minutes on the field - he scored all his goals in the 1st part of that season when he played ~1386 minutes and had a starting role, in the 2nd part of the season he became benchwarmer with only ~645 minutes on field in which he has started only 6 games from the beginning (compare it to 15 in the 1st part of the season), plus he never finished a single game without being subbed off back then and his role has been changed because of Matuzalem arrival and the new formation with Borriello upfront as lone striker, even when he was on the field he was forced to play as SS or even as wide forward, what more can i say
11/12 - 28 goals, capocannoniere and best player award of Serie B, you can call it "Zeman effect" "Insigne and Verratti were assisting bla bla bla that's why he was named best player?!The truth is that even for Zeman's tactic you need complete forward with the perfect finishing skills and Immobile has it
2010 - 10 goals at Viareggio cup, capocannoniere and the best player award, all time leader of that tournament with 14 goals, was NOT assisted by Insigne or Verratti

Clinical finisher, fucking beast.

 

[rakib567]

If beppe sells him and buys the likes of cadevra I would be so depressed.

 

[JuveJay]

Pff
13/14 - 18 goals 3 assists 2181 minutes on the field - starting role, primary forward, solo goals 4, assited goals 14, was assisted by - Cerci 2, El Kaddouri 3, Bovo 1, Kurtic 1, Vives 1, Meggironi 1, Darmian 3, Moretti 2
12/13 - 5 goals 3 assists 2031 minutes on the field - he scored all his goals in the 1st part of that season when he played ~1386 minutes and had a starting role, in the 2nd part of the season he became benchwarmer with only ~645 minutes on field in which he has started only 6 games from the beginning (compare it to 15 in the 1st part of the season), plus he never finished a single game without being subbed off back then and his role has been changed because of Matuzalem arrival and the new formation with Borriello upfront as lone striker, even when he was on the field he was forced to play as SS or even as wide forward, what more can i say
11/12 - 28 goals, capocannoniere and best player award of Serie B, you can call it "Zeman effect" "Insigne and Verratti were assisting bla bla bla that's why he was named best player?!The truth is that even for Zeman's tactic you need complete forward with the perfect finishing skills and Immobile has it
2010 - 10 goals at Viareggio cup, capocannoniere and the best player award, all time leader of that tournament with 14 goals, was NOT assisted by Insigne or Verratti

Clinical finisher, fucking beast.

You can stat me all you like but his Serie A record before this season was 5 goals. No point whatsoever in using youth player stats, just look at all the failures.

So a value of €5.5m was fair for him at the time. If he had scored 10 goals the season before we might have been talking €9m. 15 goals and you can look at €12m-€15m. That's just the way the stupid market works.

The funniest thing about this is that he might score 8 goals or something next season, strikers need the right conditions and to be regular picks.

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Form explains his 24mil price tag now, or his 5.5mil tag last year?

He doesn't have a €24m tag now, that's just some people talking.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

You can stat me all you like but his Serie A record before this season was 5 goals. No point whatsoever in using youth player stats, just look at all the failures.

So a value of €5.5m was fair for him at the time. If he had scored 10 goals the season before we might have been talking €9m. 15 goals and you can look at €12m-€15m. That's just the way the stupid market works.

The funniest thing about this is that he might score 8 goals or something next season, strikers need the right conditions and to be regular picks.

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He doesn't have a €24m tag now, that's just some people talking.

SO, his 28 goals in Serie B doesn't count just because he had Insigne and Verratti in his team Holy shit, you are the king of logic And if he were Immobilinho or Immobessi or Immonaldo or Immuarez then 15-20m is the right price, huh?! What a stupid logic, jesus

 

[JuveJay]

SO, his 28 goals in Serie B doesn't count just because he had Insigne and Verratti in his team Holy shit, you are the king of logic

Didn't say it didn't count, just wanted to add a bit of context. The most attacking coach in the game in a Serie B team containing two super talents (for that level) is that context.

I agree that the lad looks like he has goals in him, I just prefer to see that over more than one season at the level we play at.

There is also no need to call me Jesus.

 

[Lion]

I wouldnt'

I'd rather get him now that his value is 12 million, then risk him having another 20 goal season and his value jumping to 30 million

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

I wouldnt'

I'd rather get him now that his value is 12 million, then risk him having another 20 goal season and his value jumping to 30 million

even if Torino will not accept our money, we can easily beat them in the blind auction

 

[Pirlo's Beard]

How much do you think Torino would put up in a blind auction? I'd say 8-10M as the absolute max. We should just go for that if it comes to it.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

How much do you think Torino would put up in a blind auction? I'd say 8-10M as the absolute max. We should just go for that if it comes to it.

They'd like to sign a lot of our players - Berardi, Gabbiadini, Motta, Marrone, they definitely will accept to swap their rights of Immobile on some of our players, as for money - their budget is poor, so 10m would be enough to beat them
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/torino-fc/transfer-verein/verein_416.html
plus we are their money donors jeez we signed dino baggio from torino for 5m 20 years ago

 

[Pirlo's Beard]

Yeah if we could lessen the price and throw in a couple of other co-owned player rights that most likely have no future at Juve I.E Marrone, that would be great.

I just don't see why we wouldn't give Ciro a chance considering all he's done this season.

 

[JuveJay]

I wouldnt'

I'd rather get him now that his value is 12 million, then risk him having another 20 goal season and his value jumping to 30 million

Or he has a flop season mostly on our bench, it could work either way. If we sign him we need to make sure we are making the most of his abilities, that is where we made the real mistake with Giovinco.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Or he has a flop season mostly on our bench, it could work either way. If we sign him we need to make sure we are making the most of his abilities, that is where we made the real mistake with Giovinco.

we dont

 

[Suns]

FFS what is the problem here? Just get him back and pay Torino what they deserve. Let him fight it out with Llorente and if Llorente has one of those goal droughts put Immobile in and if he takes the chance and starts scoring then congrats Juve fans you just got yourself a great finisher for many years.

 

[Lion]

YEs, of course

however Giovinco's case was that Conte uses him as the main CF in a 3-5-2, which is baffling.

immobile would suite any formation we use as long as he is the cf in it. Quag and probably vuci hae no fuutre here, so i think ciro could provide some needed depth with llorente

 

[Hydde]

Pff
13/14 - 18 goals 3 assists 2181 minutes on the field - starting role, primary forward, solo goals 4, assited goals 14, was assisted by - Cerci 2, El Kaddouri 3, Bovo 1, Kurtic 1, Vives 1, Meggironi 1, Darmian 3, Moretti 2
12/13 - 5 goals 3 assists 2031 minutes on the field - he scored all his goals in the 1st part of that season when he played ~1386 minutes and had a starting role, in the 2nd part of the season he became benchwarmer with only ~645 minutes on field in which he has started only 6 games from the beginning (compare it to 15 in the 1st part of the season), plus he never finished a single game without being subbed off back then and his role has been changed because of Matuzalem arrival and the new formation with Borriello upfront as lone striker, even when he was on the field he was forced to play as SS or even as wide forward, what more can i say
11/12 - 28 goals, capocannoniere and best player award of Serie B, you can call it "Zeman effect" "Insigne and Verratti were assisting bla bla bla that's why he was named best player?!The truth is that even for Zeman's tactic you need complete forward with the perfect finishing skills and Immobile has it
2010 - 10 goals at Viareggio cup, capocannoniere and the best player award, all time leader of that tournament with 14 goals, was NOT assisted by Insigne or Verratti

Clinical finisher, $#@!ing beast.

buy marotta plzz

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YEs, of course

however Giovinco's case was that Conte uses him as the main CF in a 3-5-2, which is baffling.

immobile would suite any formation we use as long as he is the cf in it. Quag and probably vuci hae no fuutre here, so i think ciro could provide some needed depth with llorente

This.

Its a relief to know that we are clear on this subject that "giovinco simply sucks". The first step to understand this case, is that a lot of peeps need to accept that we just dont use him to his strenghts. Its ridiculous to say we got robbed with giovinco, when the dude was putting the performances before that, but "suddenly" he just stopped working for us.

Its the formation and the way we set up the team. Just dont blame the guy when the management and coach share blame with him.

 

[JuveJay]

we dont

We don't what?

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

We don't what?

Giovinco's signing was good deal

 

[JuveJay]

Giovinco's signing was good deal

If we used him in his best position he might have been, even if I think he's always been a bit overrated (just because he is so physically weak).

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

If we used him in his best position he might have been, even if I think he's always been a bit overrated (just because he is so physically weak).

Half of our team is playing out of their primary position