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Immobile is good. No question. 20 mil good. Or thereabouts, slightly more, slightly less dependent on how he progresses with more time in the side. But the knock on him by German media, and BvB supporters is that he wastes a crazy amount of chances. Which is strange considering how clinical he was with finishing last year for Torino.
Crapandowski. Oh Zach 
At least he scored a large number of goals though. We'll see if Immobile can be as prolific. He has 6 goals in 15 matches between league and CL so far. Lewandowski scored 24, 34, 26 in the last three years for Dortmund between league and CL, and he was quite wasteful, yes. Immobile is taking that to another level though.
At least he scored a large number of goals though. We'll see if Immobile can be as prolific. He has 6 goals in 15 matches between league and CL so far. Lewandowski scored 24, 34, 26 in the last three years for Dortmund between league and CL, and he was quite wasteful, yes. Immobile is taking that to another level though.
He has 6 goals in 15 games, between League and CL. He has played 723 minutes in those competitions which is a goal for every 120.5 minutes he has played. He's scoring about once in every 6 shots for Dortmund. I think it's about 1 in 4 in CL, and 1 in 9 in Bundesliga. However, he has missed a large number of very good chances in that number, both in the league and in CL. That's the big complaint by Dortmund supporters and media, and is the reason he has been on the bench so much. No assists yet. 69% pass completion.
He is actually quite similar to Morata in terms of shot conversion, and goals per minute played. Morata has 4 goals in 14 appearances, but has only played 446 minutes in those matches due to featuring from the bench more often. That works out to a better goals per minute ration of 111.5 minutes per goal. He is slightly behind with shot conversion, at 1 goal for every about 7 shots. And like Immobile, he has a tendency to miss some real easy chances. No assists either. 77% pass completion.
The two have very similar statistics this year, with Morata slightly ahead in goals per minutes played, and Immobile slightly ahead in goals per shots taken. Morata has just turned 22, and Immobile is two months from 25. Morata has an advantage there, in that he is at a similar place to Immobile, while being almost 3 years younger, with both having switched leagues for basically the same price in the summer.
He is actually quite similar to Morata in terms of shot conversion, and goals per minute played. Morata has 4 goals in 14 appearances, but has only played 446 minutes in those matches due to featuring from the bench more often. That works out to a better goals per minute ration of 111.5 minutes per goal. He is slightly behind with shot conversion, at 1 goal for every about 7 shots. And like Immobile, he has a tendency to miss some real easy chances. No assists either. 77% pass completion.
The two have very similar statistics this year, with Morata slightly ahead in goals per minutes played, and Immobile slightly ahead in goals per shots taken. Morata has just turned 22, and Immobile is two months from 25. Morata has an advantage there, in that he is at a similar place to Immobile, while being almost 3 years younger, with both having switched leagues for basically the same price in the summer.
In Europe... Yes. But only 1 goal against a good team in any competition. At home against Arsenal. Aside from that, he has hit zeros in any match against good competition. Same with Morata. Neither of the two are scoring in matches against good competition. However. Morata's lack of scoring is not hurting Juve, as he is young and not yet a starter. Whereas Immobile's lack of scoring is a direct factor in BvB's terrible Bundesliga start. Hence the reason he's been demoted to the bench.
Until Morata gets a run of starts for Juve, or at least more regular playing time, it is hard to compare the two. Morata is behind established strikers like Tevez and Llorente (in terrible form, but still well-established)... Immobile is in a rotation with a mediocre Ramos and Aubameyang who hasn't yet established himself at BvB like he had at St Etienne. It's much easier competition for minutes for Immobile than it is for Morata.
It's hard to compare the two regardless. But suggesting one is ahead of the other, based on performances so far this year is very hard to do, seeing as they have both been quite mediocre so far.
Like you. I expect both to be much better. Especially Morata though.
Until Morata gets a run of starts for Juve, or at least more regular playing time, it is hard to compare the two. Morata is behind established strikers like Tevez and Llorente (in terrible form, but still well-established)... Immobile is in a rotation with a mediocre Ramos and Aubameyang who hasn't yet established himself at BvB like he had at St Etienne. It's much easier competition for minutes for Immobile than it is for Morata.
It's hard to compare the two regardless. But suggesting one is ahead of the other, based on performances so far this year is very hard to do, seeing as they have both been quite mediocre so far.
Like you. I expect both to be much better. Especially Morata though.
I think there are things to be said for and against both and a fair comparison is very difficult atleast until dortmund find their feet again and both players get to play more. I am not terribly excited about either though to become world beaters or even tevez level. Morata atleast has his age in his favor so there is still plenty of time.
"i want to eliminate juventus from the cl finals" 
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Immobile is not technical enough for Dortmund. Same with Aubameyang. They need space in pure counter attack systems. Dortmund can counter but they do so when they are high up the field.
Last year Immobile and Cerci did damage by countering from inside their own half with acres to run at goal. Immobile can't adapt to Dortmund's pressing because they win the ball in opposition territory and it requires quick technical moves out of the area they won the ball which is usually a tight space like the sideline in the opposition's half.
Plus he is not great in tight spaces overall even in possession. Not very good with 1-2's or quick touches to set up a shot on goal. He's a pace/strength/shot type CF. He's like half a Lewandowski.
Last year Immobile and Cerci did damage by countering from inside their own half with acres to run at goal. Immobile can't adapt to Dortmund's pressing because they win the ball in opposition territory and it requires quick technical moves out of the area they won the ball which is usually a tight space like the sideline in the opposition's half.
Plus he is not great in tight spaces overall even in possession. Not very good with 1-2's or quick touches to set up a shot on goal. He's a pace/strength/shot type CF. He's like half a Lewandowski.
