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Jesus, so you need ambitions to win CL and Immobile lacks it, so with him we can't win it, this is what you meant?!
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Jesus, so you need ambitions to win CL and Immobile lacks it, so with him we can't win it, this is what you meant?!
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so true.Just change his name with "Sebastian rodríguez" and his team being Udinese or any shid like that...and we would be spending 23 mils for the guy no doubts.
Uh yeh. I really think this dude is of that kind. We were caught by his prowess since the pescara days, we saw the spark...heck man even in our Primavera he was banging goals.
His Genoa stint was a bizarre event. He for sure can score and suceed in italy at the very least...and im being conservative.
Some people tend to overrate youngsters especially when they're connected to us I agree completely.
But putting all opinions aside, Immobile is joint top scorer in Serie A with Tevez, after over 30 games. Now THAT is impressive.
I don't particularly rate our other co-owned players. Berardi has potential but he's way too raw right now. Immobile is having an exceptional season, and that should not be ignored just because some players who are completely unconnected to him have failed to live up to expectations in the past.
But putting all opinions aside, Immobile is joint top scorer in Serie A with Tevez, after over 30 games. Now THAT is impressive.
I don't particularly rate our other co-owned players. Berardi has potential but he's way too raw right now. Immobile is having an exceptional season, and that should not be ignored just because some players who are completely unconnected to him have failed to live up to expectations in the past.
It is impressive. But have we forgotten already how Giovinco was destroying the league in goals and assists at Parma? Why do we choose to throw out that data point and only look at the data for Ciro's performance this season at Torino?
Neither perspective is the whole picture. You have to take it all in.
Neither perspective is the whole picture. You have to take it all in.
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dafaq i just readI think that in this forum, the era of the "Paros, Palladinos and Chiumentos" is long gone. The bunch that grew with this kind of things, and the exposure those players had in our modern era of the interwebs...is now much more aware of what can go wrong. In fact... almost none of our young players suceed at higher level.
You mention Giovinco, but ill still believe that the guy has been a victim of our own system and coaches. Even when he had problems trying to find the right mentality, we have not suceeded in getting the best out of him..so ill not put the blame totally on Giovinco for his shrotcoming. Also like INmobile is showing..Giovinco showed potential with us before his parma loans...and then in Parma he also showed he could play at the highest italian level. So until then,, ill keep my posture of saying that the potential is there.
About Berardi.. i agree that his case should be taken with more caution, as he needs to be proven much more to see what he got. Then there are dudes like Gabbiadini who IMO are almost there,... an THEN, we have someone like Inmobile with all the numbers you can get to definitely have a clear idea of what we are talking about.
He is no fluke. If he someone like him..who has scored in any team he has been, suddenly fails with us... in the same league he has been ripping the nets a year before... then i would not sy he was a fluke. Something went wrong from our part.
The Giovinco case is a delicate one because tehers justa blind hate for the dude in this forums, and in general, a lot of fans wants to see him out. If youcan analyze his case without a biased opinion, then you can see the pros in his game and not only the cons that Conte has shown us. The guy has talent on his feet, we are the ones who are not using him properly. For me, thats as clear as water,.
You mention Giovinco, but ill still believe that the guy has been a victim of our own system and coaches. Even when he had problems trying to find the right mentality, we have not suceeded in getting the best out of him..so ill not put the blame totally on Giovinco for his shrotcoming. Also like INmobile is showing..Giovinco showed potential with us before his parma loans...and then in Parma he also showed he could play at the highest italian level. So until then,, ill keep my posture of saying that the potential is there.
About Berardi.. i agree that his case should be taken with more caution, as he needs to be proven much more to see what he got. Then there are dudes like Gabbiadini who IMO are almost there,... an THEN, we have someone like Inmobile with all the numbers you can get to definitely have a clear idea of what we are talking about.
He is no fluke. If he someone like him..who has scored in any team he has been, suddenly fails with us... in the same league he has been ripping the nets a year before... then i would not sy he was a fluke. Something went wrong from our part.
The Giovinco case is a delicate one because tehers justa blind hate for the dude in this forums, and in general, a lot of fans wants to see him out. If youcan analyze his case without a biased opinion, then you can see the pros in his game and not only the cons that Conte has shown us. The guy has talent on his feet, we are the ones who are not using him properly. For me, thats as clear as water,.
Parma were playing counter attacking football with 4411 formation where Gio was under the lone forward and with his speed and mobility he was very useful there, in his first season after parma he has scored 11 goals for Juve and participated in 42 games, while in this season he has only 2 goals in 24 games, but he has started from the beginning in 4 games, so what the problem with you and Giovinco?! It's obvious that he is underperfoming because of lack of time and because of the fact that 352 formation doesn't suits him well
The thing is Ciro is having a great season, and his progress is almost continuous in the last few seasons. Maybe he stagnated a bit in Genoa, but in some games even there, and mind you the state of Genoa side last year was far from ideal for a youngster, he showed tremendous potential. I don't know how many games of Ciro you've seen over the years and how much of this is a result of your preconceptions toward youngsters, maybe some previous disappointments, but it would be ridiculous to search on the market for another striker when our ex-primavera player, still co-owned by us, is banging goals right and left. He'll cost 10m at most, in the pecking order he'll be behind Llo and Tevez, has characteristics that neither of our forwards have, and we're planning to get rid of Quag and Vuc, maybe even Gio. Can he take us to another level is irrelevant here, as we won't be looking for upgrades over our current duo, but he'll be hopefully given opportunity to show his worth in a home club, deservedly, for a lesser fee than we'd have to pay for some other alternatives on the market. It would be the most logical choice to give this guy a chance, really can't see how anyone can be against it.
we would be stupid to not bring him back and waste our time looking for a 3rd striker elsewhere...
I'd add that though the formation is the same, Torino employ a largely different style of play, something that is also my biggest issue with Cerci as I expect him to have more difficulties adapting to our playstyle than Ciro. Still, bringing Immobile back next season is pretty much a no-brainer in my eyes.