Ciro Ferrara, an other year with Juve. (1 Viewer)

Jul 12, 2002
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++ [ originally posted by lacrease ] ++
what about DP?
And I quote:

++ [ originally posted by Rickenbacker2 ] ++
It depends on what you mean by sentiment. I think that Ferrara is our best central defender right now, and thus he should not be sold or let go, but if he were too old to function or was permanently out of form (like Montero seems to be), then I'd have no qualms about selling him or dumping him on the street. The same goes for Van der Sar or Del Piero.
 
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  • Thread Starter #43
    ++ [ originally posted by Rickenbacker2 ] ++
    No, Iuliano is not completely useless. Unless we have a replacement that is better, or at least more consistent, then Iuliano mus tbe kept.
    Considering that we will buy some central defenders 100 % + we will have Ferrara and also it's possible to restore Tudor in this role, I'm not sure we need both Montero and Juliano anymore, and between the 2 I will keep Paolo, if he will accept to have a not garanted place.

    Lately rumors are about Stam and Le Grottaglie mouving to Juve... well they are a grate option but we don't have too loose Bonera, Stam it's a bit too old considering how expensive he will be...
     
    Jul 12, 2002
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    ++ [ originally posted by mate ] ++
    Considering that we will buy some central defenders 100 % + we will have Ferrara and also it's possible to restore Tudor in this role, I'm not sure we need both Montero and Juliano anymore, and between the 2 I will keep Paolo, if he will accept to have a not garanted place.

    Lately rumors are about Stam and Le Grottaglie mouving to Juve... well they are a grate option but we don't have too loose Bonera, Stam it's a bit too old considering how expensive he will be...
    Well, Stam is coming free or not at all, and Legrottagli would be a great replacement for Iuliano and Tudor is already a better replacement for Montero. Problem sovled.
     
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    ++ [ originally posted by Rickenbacker2 ] ++
    Well, Stam is coming free or not at all, and Legrottagli would be a great replacement for Iuliano and Tudor is already a better replacement for Montero. Problem sovled.
    Till it won't be official it's better not to have illusions...

    Anycase, do you really think that Stam can come 4 free or something near to it? Lazio was near to crack but I don't think they will sell their best players like Stam, Stankovic and Lopez 4 just few money especially cause ther's so many clubs on them and the risck is too see an other "battle" like last year with Nesta...
     

    Layce Erayce

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    hehe...we'll take your best shot ;)(actually I'll let Nina take ur best shot- I'll just collect the rebound ;))


    Seriously tho, IMHO there is a difference betweem being successful and being happy/satisfied.

    You can be successful and not be happy. Then you could be happy but not successful. Im not saying one is better than the other, but a good balance between the two is necessary.
     
    Jul 12, 2002
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    #49
    ++ [ originally posted by lacrease ] ++
    hehe...we'll take your best shot ;)(actually I'll let Nina take ur best shot- I'll just collect the rebound ;))


    Seriously tho, IMHO there is a difference betweem being successful and being happy/satisfied.

    You can be successful and not be happy. Then you could be happy but not successful. Im not saying one is better than the other, but a good balance between the two is necessary.
    Actually, Lac, it's all about winning. Everything in life is a competition and being the winner is the idea. Thus, by winning one becomes happy. And no one ever won anything by being sentimental at the expense of productivity/ability. I think that it's rather quaint the whole idea of sentimentality in business, but in things that real matter, you're always better off going with the profit...
     

    nina

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    ++ [ originally posted by Rickenbacker2 ] ++
    :LOL: it's only about two hours by train to Turin...
    Can I have the name of the train that comes from Barcelona to Turin in 2 hours? Hell this is even faster than the plane!


    ++ [ originally posted by Rickenbacker2 ] ++
    Actually, Lac, it's all about winning. Everything in life is a competition and being the winner is the idea. Thus, by winning one becomes happy. And no one ever won anything by being sentimental at the expense of productivity/ability. I think that it's rather quaint the whole idea of sentimentality in business, but in things that real matter, you're always better off going with the profit...
    Shock: everything is not a competition in life. Where do you get this stuff? :wallbang: Help, Ian needs a heart!!!!
     

    Layce Erayce

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    ++ [ originally posted by Rickenbacker2 ] ++


    Actually, Lac, it's all about winning. Everything in life is a competition and being the winner is the idea. Thus, by winning one becomes happy. And no one ever won anything by being sentimental at the expense of productivity/ability. I think that it's rather quaint the whole idea of sentimentality in business, but in things that real matter, you're always better off going with the profit...

    Theres two schools of thought on that. One that is rooted in the past- that claims that man is essentially primitive and every thought and act a human being does is rooted in his basic cave-man-ish needs and urges.

    Then there is this idea that man is essentially a sophisticated creature capable of abstract thought and constructive ability and well-capable of attaining lofty heights and doing great things if they work together rather than try and outcompete together.

    I think that the reason the second is not possible is because man has not learned to get past the first stage- the basic, primal needs and wants- realise that he doesnt need to fight to survive any more.
     
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    ++ [ originally posted by nina ] ++
    Can I have the name of the train that comes from Barcelona to Turin in 2 hours? Hell this is even faster than the plane!
    Actually, I've never travelled by train from Barca to Turin, I wouldn't know, I just guessed. I suppose that I guessed wrong.


    ++ [ originally posted by nina ] ++
    Shock: everything is not a competition in life. Where do you get this stuff? :wallbang: Help, Ian needs a heart!!!!
    I don't know where you got the idea that not everything is... And I don't need a heart, at least that's not what any of the people in my life say...
     
    Jul 12, 2002
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    #55
    ++ [ originally posted by lacrease ] ++
    Theres two schools of thought on that. One that is rooted in the past- that claims that man is essentially primitive and every thought and act a human being does is rooted in his basic cave-man-ish needs and urges.

    Then there is this idea that man is essentially a sophisticated creature capable of abstract thought and constructive ability and well-capable of attaining lofty heights and doing great things if they work together rather than try and outcompete together.

    I think that the reason the second is not possible is because man has not learned to get past the first stage- the basic, primal needs and wants- realise that he doesnt need to fight to survive any more.
    I think that in either scenario, the benefit of one still hinges upon the depreciation of another. Thus it's all a competition anyway.
     

    Layce Erayce

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    naah. they are two totally different ways of thinking. totally. they cant even be put on a spectrum because they are on two different dimensions IMHO.

    The whole point is that benefit of one will only come with benefit of all...thats like the root of socialism basically...(not delving into socialism)

    Im not against competition. Im just appalled that so many people dont realise that in competition there is one winner and all the rest lose...most of the people here dont realise that they are at the extreme top of the chain and the people who are waaaaay down there completely dwarf us in their size. If they are empowered, and enlightened they would certainly be a force to contend with, in a lot more ways than one, but unfortunately they are not.

    Not yet anyways.
     
    Jul 12, 2002
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    ++ [ originally posted by lacrease ] ++
    naah. they are two totally different ways of thinking. totally. they cant even be put on a spectrum because they are on two different dimensions IMHO.

    The whole point is that benefit of one will only come with benefit of all...thats like the root of socialism basically...(not delving into socialism)

    Im not against competition. Im just appalled that so many people dont realise that in competition there is one winner and all the rest lose...most of the people here dont realise that they are at the extreme top of the chain and the people who are waaaaay down there completely dwarf us in their size. If they are empowered, and enlightened they would certainly be a force to contend with, in a lot more ways than one, but unfortunately they are not.

    Not yet anyways.
    Competition doesn't always involve one winner and the rest losers. For instance international trade is a competition but it results in greater world production and this benefits everyone.
     

    Layce Erayce

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    true. it doenst ALWAYS have losers, but it always has one party tht benefit less, and another that benefit more.

    I mean even the poor 3rd world countries have money. But the proportion by which it is spread is so unbalanced....

    I just wish that everybody was as lucky as everybody else....


    (LOL and look at how this argument has gone off-topic :D)
     

    my_hitzJUVE

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    if he can play like last night match agaist torino....may be juve can offer him contract for 100 years...hehe

    how lucky juve...

    hope juve can give us cheers next week against barca
     

    Mona

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    First Ciro is a good player really even if he is old.

    But if juve wants to stay in the same level in defence line they should buy a younger player.
     

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