Charlie Hebdo massacre - 2015-Jan-07 (14 Viewers)

swag

swag

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Sep 23, 2003
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Hustini said:
So...either terrorists are liars or civil war is what they want but don't have the guts to start it on their own and in order to get numbers they need the west to react?
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Actually, that's one of the more reasoned pieces I've seen. People dying over cartoons is an absurd waste on every level. I don't just mean the cartoonists, but I also mean the suicide mission of the jihadi soldiers sent in to execute them.

If you go back to the 9/11 motivators of incitement, that just seems more plausible to me. Not that terrorists are rational people. But the kind of time, money, and training that went into this seems like a tremendous waste if it were merely about some cartoons barely anyone ever reads.
 
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Jun 17, 2011
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swag said:
Actually, that's one of the more reasoned pieces I've seen. People dying over cartoons is an absurd waste on every level. I don't just mean the cartoonists, but I also mean the suicide mission of the jihadi soldiers sent in to execute them.

If you go back to the 9/11 motivators of incitement, that just seems more plausible to me. Not that terrorists are rational people. But the kind of time, money, and training that went into this seems like a tremendous waste if it were merely about some cartoons barely anyone ever reads.
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It's not just killing cartoonists though. It still creates fear and panic either way, shows that they have legitimacy and power. Like North Korea trying to test missiles. In this case I just find it very hard to believe that it's an attempt to start civil wars.
 
Seven

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Jun 25, 2003
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ReBeL said:
Seven, I don't support those who made this attack. But I'm trying to discuss what they did with you knowing the reasons they used for this attack
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I just don't understand what you are saying. You can be so reasonable about things and now it's as if you're mixing everything up. Maybe it's me, I don't know. But it doesn't feel as if we're talking on the same level about this and honestly that worries me. Because if you and I, people who are used to debating things with each other, cannot come to understand each other, what does that mean for radical muslims on the one hand and western society on the other?

Like I said before though, your posts so far have fascinated me. I completely disagree with them in every way possible, but for the first time I'm actually seeing how someone can interpret the same things so differently.

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swag said:
Actually, that's one of the more reasoned pieces I've seen. People dying over cartoons is an absurd waste on every level. I don't just mean the cartoonists, but I also mean the suicide mission of the jihadi soldiers sent in to execute them.

If you go back to the 9/11 motivators of incitement, that just seems more plausible to me. Not that terrorists are rational people. But the kind of time, money, and training that went into this seems like a tremendous waste if it were merely about some cartoons barely anyone ever reads.
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The author partly shares my opinion (yet words it better): it would just be so odd that these cartoons themselves are so important. It's too unlikely.
 
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