[Champions League] Shakhtar 0-1 JUVENTUS (December 5, 2012) (131 Viewers)

[Völler]

I think the key thing is to play with a back four.

That simplifies things a lot against one-/three-man attacks.

Why exactly would it make it so much easier?

 

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[Dominic]

I think the key thing is to play with a back four.

That simplifies things a lot against one-/three-man attacks.

It does, but the team did look very rusty and even awkward with four at the back against Torino.

 

[Red]

Why exactly would it make it so much easier?

Because it offers clarity on who each player should be picking up.

If you have three CBs and two wingbacks against one striker and two wingers, you need specific plans as to what you want to do with your spare defender.

Does the spare CB step forward to confront a midfielder? Does one of the wingbacks ignore the winger - leaving him to a CB - and try to hold a position higher up the pitch?

You can also get forced back to the edge of your own box because you are forced into playing a back five, so don't have the presence in midfield to defend higher up the pitch.

With a back four it is clearer: the two CBs deal with the CF and each fullback is resposible for the winger.

In the first game against Shakhtar Juve didn't have a clue what was going on. They just ended up sitting deep and hoping. They were being overrun in the middle because the wingers were drifting into the middle and Juve's wingbacks didn't know what to do. They ended up staying wide and basically playing against no-one, so really weren't contributing.

It does, but the team did look very rusty and even awkward with four at the back against Torino.

I'll take your word for it, because I wasn't really paying attention to the game.

At least with the system you are suggesting Juve could easily change to playing a back six.

 

[Dominic]

Which will revolutionize football, as we know it!

 

[Völler]

Because it offers clarity on who each player should be picking up.

If you have three CBs and two wingbacks against one striker and two wingers, you need specific plans as to what you want to do with your spare defender.

Does the spare CB step forward to confront a midfielder? Does one of the wingbacks ignore the winger - leaving him to a CB - and try to hold a position higher up the pitch?

You can also get forced back to the edge of your own box because you are forced into playing a back five, so don't have the presence in midfield to defend higher up the pitch.

With a back four it is clearer: the two CBs deal with the CF and each fullback is resposible for the winger.

In the first game against Shakhtar Juve didn't have a clue what was going on. They just ended up sitting deep and hoping. They were being overrun in the middle because the wingers were drifting into the middle and Juve's wingbacks didn't know what to do. They ended up staying wide and basically playing against no-one, so really weren't contributing.

The Shakhtar game is one of the few games I've missed this season so it's hard to argue with that you're saying. :/
But I can definitely see what your point is.

 

[adRHCP]

I will not be able to see the game, we better win

 

[Völler]

5 HOURS TO THE GAME.

Time to warm up:

 

[Cuti]

Isla is starting apparently

 

[Dominic]

Already? Someone tell him the game is starting not for a few hours.

 

[Völler]

Isla is starting apparently

 

[Red]

Isla is starting apparently

According to?

 

[Azzurri7]

Already? Someone tell him the game is starting not for a few hours.

Sissoko?

 

[Cheesio]

We need Licht

 

[Red]

I can't remember the last time I saw a game that was odds-on to be a draw.

The draw is 19/20 at William Hill just now.

The English really don't trust Italians or Eastern Europeans.

 

[Azzurri7]

I can't remember the last time I saw a game that was odds-on to be a draw.

The draw is 19/20 at William Hill just now.

The English really don't trust Italians or Eastern Europeans.

It was only normal also TBH, not to mention that they also drew in the first leg.

 

[Red]

Yup.

The game doesn't have to be fixed to finish in a draw.

It's a result that would suit both teams, so it's entirely possible that both will play cautiously and little will happen in the game.

 

[Azzurri7]

Yup.

The game doesn't have to be fixed to finish in a draw.

It's a result that would suit both teams, so it's entirely possible that both will play cautiously and little will happen in the game.

I placed a bet, 6 matches, in this match I played less than 2.5 goals.

 

[Red]

Sounds a decent bet to me.

 

[Cuti]

1: 3.3
x: 1.9
2: 4.2

Odds on William Hill

 

[Red]

I'd be going on 0-0 or 1-1.