Champions League 2021-22 (27 Viewers)
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Yep. Milan reached CL finals in 93, 94, 95, 03, 05 and 07.
Won 3 and lost 3. In the same periode of time Real "only" reached 3. Difference is Real won all of their finals in 98, 00 and 02.
Milan were certainly a bigger CL team in the earlier stages of the competition compared to Real. All that changed in the last decade.
Won 3 and lost 3. In the same periode of time Real "only" reached 3. Difference is Real won all of their finals in 98, 00 and 02.
Milan were certainly a bigger CL team in the earlier stages of the competition compared to Real. All that changed in the last decade.
United ate 4 at Leicester, Sky did a nice analysis showing that since Ronaldo arrived the opposition has more dangerous possession and opportunities on goal, yes he does bail them out but they've regressed as a team. It's similar over at PSG, Red Bull could've buried them and easily gone home with 6 goals and 3 points.
Too many free passengers in their team. If they field their team with Ronaldo, Greenwood, Sancho, Fernandes and Pogba, there's 3 kids with more intention to play playstation with or do some shitty charity shit over his football career instead of focusing what happens on the pitch(rashford). Liverpool for example, they had Salah and Mane coming to defend alongside Firmino and that just doesn't happen on Utd for what i'v seen from 1 half of UCL game and couple PL games so far.
I'm not butthurt. I like Bayern.
I'm poking fun at the Bayern fan who stated "these other Bundesliga clubs don't have winning mentality" after literally JUST raiding Leipzig for their best defender and best attacking midfielder, coming off of doing similar over the last 4-5 years of doing the exact same thing to Dortmund, Schalke, Stuttgart, Werder.
Bayern won't send you a gold star for valiantly stepping in front of a bullet for a poster on a Juve forum.
I'm poking fun at the Bayern fan who stated "these other Bundesliga clubs don't have winning mentality" after literally JUST raiding Leipzig for their best defender and best attacking midfielder, coming off of doing similar over the last 4-5 years of doing the exact same thing to Dortmund, Schalke, Stuttgart, Werder.
Bayern won't send you a gold star for valiantly stepping in front of a bullet for a poster on a Juve forum.
Bundesliga is bundesfodder mostly because it's 'handicapped' by 50+1 rule in the age of sheikh owners. While being a powerhouse market where obsessed fools wouldn't mind paying 4x for football related products including TV subscriptions
Remove 50+1 and you get yourself 4-6 teams on Bayern level in 5-10 years.
Of course whether as a small club fan you'd want to sacrifice your comfy local club for bragging rights on the internet while some goatfucker runs your club is a different debate.
Remove 50+1 and you get yourself 4-6 teams on Bayern level in 5-10 years.
Of course whether as a small club fan you'd want to sacrifice your comfy local club for bragging rights on the internet while some goatfucker runs your club is a different debate.
I agree and disagree. For some, what you state is the case. For others, not so much imo.
Dortmund is a great example.
I don't think Dortmund is "handicapped" to the degree or for the reasons listed. On some players (maybe even most players) it just makes more sense to buy low, develop, and sell high if the player wants to leave. In most cases, the player wants to leave and Dortmund allows it because they have a reputation that encourages them to allow it. They have a reputation for giving young players great development and playing time and then if that player wants to leave they allow them. This cycle actually benefits Dortmund, not because they can't afford to keep the players but honestly they can't afford to block them from leaving and thus hurting the reputation they've cultivated.
This is why Haaland went there (among other reasons surely). It's why Sancho went there. Many others as well. Bellingham or whatever. Coulibaly and Kamara from PSG. Malen from PSV. The list goes on. Some clubs don't mind being seen as a selling club. It is what it is. Call it ambition or knowing their place. They made a CL final in the last decade and have been relatively successful with their young teams but even in their best years they could barely compete with Bayern outside a year or two.
Leipzig is a different beast but kind of the same. Just like Dortmund, I think they want to be successful but also realize at this point they cannot afford to hold players against their will when a bigger club/offer comes along because they too have cultivated this reputation for their system. Salzburg to Leipzig, Champion League time at a young age, a young and exciting team, etc. At some point, once they've established themselves, they might become harder to deal with when it comes to selling their players but at this point they are only a few years in Bundesliga. And they have a plan that takes time and being focused on the plan. It is not in Leipzig's plan to become a superclub holding their young stars against their will. At this time.
That's just my perception of it.
Dortmund is a great example.
I don't think Dortmund is "handicapped" to the degree or for the reasons listed. On some players (maybe even most players) it just makes more sense to buy low, develop, and sell high if the player wants to leave. In most cases, the player wants to leave and Dortmund allows it because they have a reputation that encourages them to allow it. They have a reputation for giving young players great development and playing time and then if that player wants to leave they allow them. This cycle actually benefits Dortmund, not because they can't afford to keep the players but honestly they can't afford to block them from leaving and thus hurting the reputation they've cultivated.
This is why Haaland went there (among other reasons surely). It's why Sancho went there. Many others as well. Bellingham or whatever. Coulibaly and Kamara from PSG. Malen from PSV. The list goes on. Some clubs don't mind being seen as a selling club. It is what it is. Call it ambition or knowing their place. They made a CL final in the last decade and have been relatively successful with their young teams but even in their best years they could barely compete with Bayern outside a year or two.
Leipzig is a different beast but kind of the same. Just like Dortmund, I think they want to be successful but also realize at this point they cannot afford to hold players against their will when a bigger club/offer comes along because they too have cultivated this reputation for their system. Salzburg to Leipzig, Champion League time at a young age, a young and exciting team, etc. At some point, once they've established themselves, they might become harder to deal with when it comes to selling their players but at this point they are only a few years in Bundesliga. And they have a plan that takes time and being focused on the plan. It is not in Leipzig's plan to become a superclub holding their young stars against their will. At this time.
That's just my perception of it.
@BayernFan I hope you guys spare Benfica and trash Barfa 
Or else I assume it's because you don't want Barca to get out of the group - I'd love to see that myself.
