Cassano or Jovetic? (12 Viewers)

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RavaneVialli

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Jan 27, 2008
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Our club is so hypocritical in that aspect. Drives me up the wall.
I'd blame coaches, Ranieri and Ferrara, not club, if there's anything to blame them for*. The management kept those youngsters after all and insist they want to build the future around them on every occasion.






*I personally belive and it seems that I'm solitary with this view, that Juventus is a football club and not a kindergarten.
 

Byrone

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Dec 19, 2005
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Actually failure to integrate youth players into the first team should fall on Ferrara,considering he worked with them intimately.If he doesnt think they can make the cut,then they should be sold.
 

Hust

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May 29, 2005
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Kindergarten or not, the club itself should be pushing its coaches to use the youth its spent millions on producing. Both are guilty. I'm particularly disappointed in ciro as he has personally invested a lot of time in them.
 

Byrone

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Dec 19, 2005
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I think it's more the Italian mentality more than anything else
No its all about instant gratification & not thinking long term here.Anyway we are in year 3 of the 5yr plan.Im assuming that after yr 5 our first team squad would be solid & that the youngsters would gradually come in to add depth.

Kindergarten or not, the club itself should but pushing its coaches to use the youth its spent millions on producing. Both are guilty. I'm particularly disappointed in ciro as he has personally invested a lor of time in them.
Spot on.:tup:
 

RavaneVialli

Senior Member
Jan 27, 2008
863
Kindergarten or not, the club itself should but pushing its coaches to use the youth its spent millions on producing. Both are guilty. I'm particularly disappointed in ciro as he has personally invested a lor of time in them.
They appointed Ranieri, who had a reputation of developing young players well, but he failed and turned to older, more experienced players. He gets fired and then they choose Ferrara, who was the youth sector head coach and he does the same what Ranieri did. Doing a Berlusconi and telling the coach who to field is not exactly a good idea, so what else they can do apart from chosing coaches who are likely to use youngsters?

Maybe there's something wrong with those youngsters:snoop:
 

IrishZebra

Western Imperialist
Jun 18, 2006
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They appointed Ranieri, who had a reputation of developing young players well, but he failed and turned to older, more experienced players. He gets fired and then they choose Ferrara, who was the youth sector head coach and he does the same what Ranieri did. Doing a Berlusconi and telling the coach who to field is not exactly a good idea.

Maybe there's something wrong with those youngsters:snoop:
If we all had faith in Ciro and didn't call for his head twice a minute he'd be comfortable to blood the young uns
 

Hust

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Hustini
May 29, 2005
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Still it makes no sense to have a coach that built the youth academy and have a club promote him to senior team and be ok with watching its long term investments worth millions be wasted.
 

JuveJay

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Mar 6, 2007
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I find it strange people talk about us not playing young players, are Marchisio, De Ceglie and Giovinco not young players? What about Luca Marrone?

Now, of those young players, who has deserved to keep a place based on their performances? Marchisio only. Who plays regularly? Marchisio. When Giovinco and De Ceglie prove they are good enough to start they will start more regularly. They have had chances but are inconsistent, so their appearances will remain inconsistent.
 

KB824

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Sep 16, 2003
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I think it's more the Italian mentality more than anything else
To some degree, but you also have to look at the individual teams and judge that for yourself.


Look at Inter, with Santon and Balotelli. Granted, santon isn't getting a great amount of playing time, but he has certainly played a good amount of minutes considering how young he is. Balotelli has a tendency to explode and implode on the pitch (in a good and a bad way) every time he steps onto the field.


Roma has always had a policy of promoting their youth and playing substantial minutes. Partly due to finances, but also because they have a great history of nurtuting young talent.

Even Juve in the past with bringing in Del Piero, Tacchinardi, among others.

If the palyers are good enough, then they will be brought up and given playing time. They were both teenagers when they first got on the scene, and were playing right away.


Maybe these kids being brought through the system simply aren't good enough? Or maybe, just maybe, they should really go back to taking these financial risks that they did when they purchased the likes of Del Piero, Zambrotta, Tacchinardi, when they were purchased before the age of 22 and in the cases of DP and Alessio, when they were only 18.

I'm just trying to think of the last truly great Juventino who was brought up through the youth system, and right now it escapes me.
 

JuveJay

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Mar 6, 2007
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Exceptional young players will nearly always break through one way or another, for big teams challenging for honours less will get a chance, that is the same anywhere.

In Italy there is more focus on the tactical side than anywhere else, which is one reason why young players generally don't get as many chances throughout the league. In England any bright young thing gets a chance, not that I particularly agree with that either as some seem to burn out and peak early.
 

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