Carlos Garcia...yep, it's true (1 Viewer)

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Suns

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Bits from the interview:

He's joining the primavera team.
He speaks Spanish fluently so he doesn't think the language will be a problem.
He met with Del Piero when he was in Turin last time and Ale gave him his shirt.
 

Osman

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Suns, watching the clip of the interview with him, and it says his name is Carlos Garcia Ambrosiani. Weird.

But yeah he is pretty happy and casual about the upcoming experience. Mainly says since he is spanish speaking and latin culture, perhaps wont have much issue adapting and getting hang of the language in few months.

Said he had trials with Inter, Tottenham and us, chose us because he was more impressed etc. And most important of all, met Del Piero, fan of his and has gotten his Juve shirt from him :touched: :D
 

Hust

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Oh...so I am sure he can't wait to be loaned for the next 5 years of his career and find himself a 24 year old "talent" sitting on the bench. Good for him.
 

Osman

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Shouldnt you be more concerned with him hopefully showing he is good enough to eventually play for the senior team, instead of automatically say the above nonsense?

Its not automatically they are good enough and are being squandered and thrown away for being a youth player in our academy, but more like we are even fortunate if 1 in 10 can be good enough to in the senior squad even per generation/age group, let alone be a leading or somewhat good player.
 

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He hasn't even put the shirt on yet and the loan crap already :lol:

BTW his father is Nicaraguan, and they have an Italian immigrant population, explaining his name.
 

Hust

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Shouldnt you be more concerned with him hopefully showing he is good enough to eventually play for the senior team, instead of automatically say the above nonsense?

Its not automatically they are good enough and are being squandered and thrown away for being a youth player in our academy, but more like we are even fortunate if 1 in 10 can be good enough to in the senior squad even per generation/age group, let alone be a leading or somewhat good player.
It is pretty clear what our club does with its youth talent. Not sure why so many here are oblivious to it. Being against loans and co-owns I think you would know my stance on that better than anyone Osman. I loath them with a passion, why in hell wouldn't I want this kid to succeed and play with the senior team? What makes you think I am unconcerned? If I was I wouldn't post such "nonsense" would I?
He hasn't even put the shirt on yet and the loan crap already :lol:

BTW his father is Nicaraguan, and they have an Italian immigrant population, explaining his name.
It's funny isn't it? Watching our youth waste away on our benches or another clubs. What the hell is the point of this youth tournament anyways when we never take advantage of what we have that bloody brings the trophy home every year?
 

JuveJay

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The team wins trophies, individuals have to prove they are good enough to play for Juventus. Juventus is a very high level club, it is in the same boat as every other big club in the world - it cannot afford to give chances to most young players, but the best ones will break through. Some guys will have to drop down a level to get games, it's up to them to show they deserve a chance. The best way for Juventus to see how our young players can cope is to loan them out, there is no reserve league and players cannot be expected to jump from the Primavera to a team challenging at the top of Serie A.

Co-ownerships are another thing, I'm not really a big fan, it's more a gambling game and a quick way to raise money for players the club is actually going to use.
 

Osman

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Not talking about being unconcerned, but you are skiping a major step, when you assume pretty much EVERYONE are good enough to play for the senior team, pretty automatic, hence they are being RUINED being on loan/co-owned and not being with the senior team instead, as I said, skipping a major step.

I very much like them to play for our team if they are good enough, and preferly get more chance to show they can, but this is RARE for a reason, besides italian footballs bit pessimistic approach to younger players, its also because very few of these players are good enough.

All I'm saying is its a counterproductive attitude to have, loan-co-owns being bad automatically makes the assumption that these youth players are somehow all automatically good enough to play for the A team. I dont like how few of them get a chance (as I said already with italian footie's cautious approach being bit too rigid too often), but I also dont like every youngster being assumed to be someone who we are wasting on loan (I used to hear ridiclous moanings about frigging Volpato, the next Vieri), instead of simply taking the time to realize wether they are good enough or not, and that also happens indirectly through loans. Because the Senior team doesnt have time to, or doesnt deem them good enough.

There are Paro's, Rocchi's, Cassani's, Nocerino's, Loria's, Milanetto's and so on with the long long long list of youth products who are merely average players, producing Serie A level players in itself its an acheivement. Let alone those worthy of the requirements of Juve. Giovinco and Marchisio are a rarity for a reason. Even more so with how rare it is big legends like Boniperti, Bettega, Combi etc coming through your youth academy.
 

JuveJay

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For guys like Rocchi and Cassani, I think it is good for them that they have been able to go from rejects to being able to get a couple of caps for Italy, that is a nice story. They would never have been anywhere near that level if they had stayed at Juve just training and as a backup. Again, it's all about making the most of their chances.
 

Adrian

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For a youth team that has won 4 out of the last 6 and has been great, the club has done a poor job of making the players take the next step.
 

JuveJay

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Possibly you are right. Who do we blame? Ranieri? I think a window opened up for us with Calciopoli that allowed us to give more young players a chance, I can't even see this happening in the future as our squad gets deeper and stronger.
 

Adrian

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I think the club as a whole dont have enough faith in their youth players. I cant figure out how a club can have so much faith in underperforming coaches and underperforming old players, but the youth team which dominates doesnt get teh attention it needs.

I like clubs like Barcelona and Arsenal who seem to implement one or two youg players each season. They put faith in them and give them the opportunities.

I'm not saying the club has a load of superstar younger players, but how does a club consistently loan out young players and rarely gets them back. And when they do come back, they rarely play. Marchisio aside, i think De Ceglie and Gio will want to leave at the end of the season.

We fail as a club in this area compared to others.
 
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