Capital Punishment (5 Viewers)

Do you support Capital Punishment?

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Holygr4le

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Aug 4, 2005
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#21
Jeeks said:
I totally agree, it is a plague that you have to live with. But even with this problem, the country is a much better place to live in than many other countries. I would include the other ones mentioned earlier with it.
Agree. But there is still a lot of improvement to be done. Never the less your right. Agree on agreeing?
 

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JCK

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May 11, 2004
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#22
Holygr4le said:
Agree. But there is still a lot of improvement to be done. Never the less your right. Agree on agreeing?
Sure, otherwise I wouldn't have stayed here nor spoken to you. I believe that we can do the improvement, i is not that tough, the system is already running properly.

By the way, I can get some information about the death penalty and policies around that here, but that will in the evening. Now, I'm off to spend what's rest of my salary.

Erik, I have huge respect to Holland if you didn't know that before.
 

Slagathor

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Jul 25, 2001
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#23
Bozi.78 said:
TBH i believe that the dutch are among the most liberal and open of nations, the people are well informed and i wish that in britain we should look t=o the dutch example more than we currently do.
Well we still have our fair share of nitwits within our borders though... Things like the riots we've seen in France and Australia are highly unlikely to happen here; but not unthinkable...

Jeeks said:
Erik, I have huge respect to Holland if you didn't know that before.
Just as long as that's a balanced opinion based on wide knowledge; also of our many wrongdoings in the past.
 

JCK

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#25
Layce Erayce said:
what about best SO FAR?

Ideally finding the rape gene and zapping it would be one of the best ways.
I'll get back to you with numbers from countries that don't have or haven't had the death penalty for quite a while now, think 19th century.
 

Geof

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May 14, 2004
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#26
Layce Erayce said:
what about best SO FAR?

Ideally finding the rape gene and zapping it would be one of the best ways.
Or using the system used in "A Clockwork Orange"...






More seriously, I'm totally against the death penalty. When a state kills its own citizens, it makes you think of the legitimity of the whole concept of a state.
Yes we all agreed to live together in a society. We agree to obey to the rules. A lot of our prerogatives as human beings is in the hand of the state, but our own life?? no way.

Some say the death penalty helps to prevent crime. I don't agree with it. When one kills another person, he's not calculating what punishment he might get. He just kills out of human passion, hatred, fear, greed, moral deadness and above all failure. And does it really make a difference in the mind of a murderer, spending life in prison, or getting the death penalty?

The USA, for example, have the death penalty in some states, but seem to have a much higher murder rate than most European countries. But, of course, you can say that it has nothing to do with the death penalty, it's a cultural thing, or maybe it has to do with the right to bear arms,...

Of course, statistics prove absolutely nothing.

TBH, I can only give arguments that will only speak to already convinced people. I can't prove that death penalty is wrong. But I still think it's discusting. It neglects every aspect of humanity. An element is sick -> kill it.

An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. Is that justice?
 

Holygr4le

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Aug 4, 2005
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#27
Geof said:
Or using the system used in "A Clockwork Orange"...






More seriously, I'm totally against the death penalty. When a state kills its own citizens, it makes you think of the legitimity of the whole concept of a state.
Yes we all agreed to live together in a society. We agree to obey to the rules. A lot of our prerogatives as human beings is in the hand of the state, but our own life?? no way.

Some say the death penalty helps to prevent crime. I don't agree with it. When one kills another person, he's not calculating what punishment he might get. He just kills out of human passion, hatred, fear, greed, moral deadness and above all failure. And does it really make a difference in the mind of a murderer, spending life in prison, or getting the death penalty?

The USA, for example, have the death penalty in some states, but seem to have a much higher murder rate than most European countries. But, of course, you can say that it has nothing to do with the death penalty, it's a cultural thing, or maybe it has to do with the right to bear arms,...

Of course, statistics prove absolutely nothing.

TBH, I can only give arguments that will only speak to already convinced people. I can't prove that death penalty is wrong. But I still think it's discusting. It neglects every aspect of humanity. An element is sick -> kill it.

An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. Is that justice?
You surprise me... *applause*
 
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Snoop

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    Erik what is the standing of Netherlands comparing with other nations of crime rate?and rape crime also if you know
     

    Slagathor

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    #29
    snoop said:
    Erik what is the standing of Netherlands comparing with other nations of crime rate?and rape crime also if you know
    Comparable to that of Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Germany. Lower than Belgium, France, Britain and the United States. I don't have the figures on me at the moment but that is what I remember.
     

    Slagathor

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    #30
    From: http://www.cijfers.net/horror_03.html

    En nee, executeren is bepaald niet goedkoper dan opsluiten. In de Amerikaanse staat Florida kost het veroordelen en terechtstellen van een moordenaar gemiddeld US $ 3 200 000,- Voor dat bedrag kun je ook zes mensen levenslang opsluiten...
    Translates as:

    Execution isn't cheaper than locking someone up for life. The price tag attached to covincting and executing a murderer in the American State of Florida amounts to US$ 3 200 000.- on average. That amount would suffice for locking up six people for a life time in jail.
     
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    Erik said:
    Comparable to that of Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Germany. Lower than Belgium, France, Britain and the United States. I don't have the figures on me at the moment but that is what I remember.
    this at least shows someway that Josh's statement is not correct,that death penalty will reduce the crime/raping rate.Even there is no Death penalty in Netherlands,but the crime rate is lower than USA for example.
     
    Aug 1, 2003
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    #33
    I agree with the death penalty; simply because it will instill more fear in other people. Whenever I get on a plane back home to Malaysia and they give a warning on drugs being brought back, I think when they mention "death penalty" is more scary than "life imprisonment".

    Perhaps the sentence shouldnt be given out freely because as some pointed out crimes might be committed out of an error in judgment, but for the likes of - say, Charles Manson or Ted Bundy - I honestly do not mind seeing them hanged. Yes, I do call it justice.
     

    Holygr4le

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    #34
    sallyinzaghi said:
    I agree with the death penalty; simply because it will instill more fear in other people. Whenever I get on a plane back home to Malaysia and they give a warning on drugs being brought back, I think when they mention "death penalty" is more scary than "life imprisonment".
    No it does not. Harder punishment is prooved making crimes harder as well.
     

    Slagathor

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    #35
    sallyinzaghi said:
    I agree with the death penalty; simply because it will instill more fear in other people. Whenever I get on a plane back home to Malaysia and they give a warning on drugs being brought back, I think when they mention "death penalty" is more scary than "life imprisonment".
    Generally; it takes a person of high moral standards and common sense and decency to be afraid of the possiblity of punishment for wrong doings. A real criminal doesn't care for that risk and won't distinct between "death penalty" and "life imprisonment" - a real criminal has no morals and values.
     

    Maresca

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    Aug 23, 2004
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    #36
    I don´t agree with death penalty. I mean, if a criminal person is killed with the death penalty, then he will not recordnize what he has done, it is much harder for a person to have lifelong prison than the death penalty. he or she will allways think about what he/ she did, and may change himself/herself.
     
    Aug 1, 2003
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    #37
    Look, leading to his/her death penalty the criminal has the time to repent anyway. I just regard death penalty as the consenquence for one's mistake, and I think it is the fairest punishment for the criminal who have hurt lots of people deeply. In the case of murder, I dont care if it was a crime of passion or if the murderer was some psychopath serial killer, anyone capable of such crimes, I'd like to see them hanged.
     

    Seven

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    Jun 25, 2003
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    #39
    Besides all the practical arguments, you need to ask yourself this:

    Is it ethically justifiable that a state can decide about whether or not this or that person can live?
     
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    Seven said:
    Besides all the practical arguments, you need to ask yourself this:

    Is it ethically justifiable that a state can decide about whether or not this or that person can live?
    not just that, what bothers me the most is,when people say things like this "hang him" " he deserves to die" withouth knowing any shit about the suspect/criminal. and all their judmenet based on reading some piece from a magazine or a newspaper.
    and some others go to street with slogans "kill him" "hang him" that's what I call evil, people always like to see deaths bloods violence etc..

    I hate it when people Judge each others :sick:
     

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