capello - the best coach in the world? (10 Viewers)

[baggio]

I guess thats the difference between him and Lippi. If I remember Lippi's words after his second stint at Juve, he said he'd move to the NT and then to a team like Palermo or Sampdoria to start over. Since, that's where the challenge really lies, once you've been there done that.

 

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[Ascension]

++ [ originally posted by baggio ] ++
With a statement like that, you're overdoing it.

I'm a fan.

Why hasnt he been tested? Its pretty obvious he himself isnt comfortable with the notion.

The argument that Capello wouldn't make it as a coach for a small team doesn't hold water. The fact that it never happened means we can't say anything for sure.

We can only speculate. And I think he would be every bit as amazing as he has been with all the other teams. In fact I think it would be interesting to see him coach a smaller team.

 

[Tifoso]

Interesting, TBH. Poor Cap can't win. If a team he manages does well, it's because of the team, not him. If it does poorly, it's him not the team.

No win situation for him, you ask me.

Can't feel too sorry for him, though--he's making tons of money.

 

[Bjerknes]

I would like to see the outcome if Capello had to coach a side like Lecce or Fiorentina, and then be succeeded by Jose Mourinho just to compare results. It would be interesting indeed.

Mourinho basically built the 2004 Porto sqaud all by himself, and he was the master behind improving individual talents such as Deco and Riccardo Carvalho. I am not sure if Capello is adept enough to take a side like Porto and build them into a European Champion because he can only make do with what he has and what is provided to him, while we have seen what Mourniho can do in that respect. Therefore, combine this information with his resume, and you will see that Capello is no where near the best coach in the history of football...obvious really.

 

[lestat_1987]

there is a reason why he never agreed to coach a small team. Salary is one thing, but nowadays almost every team in the EPL can cover his wages and there are also lots of teams elsewhere.
I think Cap would turn them down. Why pick small teams when you can have big ones, someone asked...well short answer: to prove yourself.

 

[Ascension]

Prove himself? The coach who won everything you can win as a club coach needs to prove himself??? Oh well...

Capello's challenges is to continue his career record of having won with every club he coached. Why ruin that? And I'm sorry but you're not gonna win titles with Sunderland or Ipswich!

 

[sateeh]

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++
I would like to see the outcome if Capello had to coach a side like Lecce or Fiorentina, and then be succeeded by Jose Mourinho just to compare results. It would be interesting indeed.

Mourinho basically built the 2004 Porto sqaud all by himself, and he was the master behind improving individual talents such as Deco and Riccardo Carvalho. I am not sure if Capello is adept enough to take a side like Porto and build them into a European Champion because he can only make do with what he has and what is provided to him, while we have seen what Mourniho can do in that respect. Therefore, combine this information with his resume, and you will see that Capello is no where near the best coach in the history of football...obvious really.

well i have to disagree with that.I mean we all saw when capello took the milan side after Sacchi left, and he turned them into champions.Multiple champs.
In the same sense that mourinho is a great coach, then Rafa is a great coach as well.Both of them took underdogs and made them champs.I consider liverpool an inferior side to the Porto side that mourinho had.I just wanted to see wat would mourinho do with the porto side, after all the stars left...
And abt capello not succeeding with smaller clubs, and not choosing them.Mybe he just likes the pressure that the big clubs bring on him.

If u think abt it, i think the two best coaches have to be either Trap or Fergie.The others just cant be the greatest.

 

[baggio]

++ [ originally posted by Alexander ] ++
Prove himself? The coach who won everything you can win as a club coach needs to prove himself??? Oh well...

Well, yes. I'm afraid he would be unable to succeed in such a task because he wouldn'nt have the budgets to build a squad of prominent players or those who he is comfortable working with.

After all, the Van Bastens, Gullits, Ibrahimovics, Cannavaros, Tottis, Batistutas and Vieiras only make the job a whole lot easier.

 

[Holygr4le]

Worlds best coach by this measurements is a guy named Håkan in Sweden. Trained a club in the 6th division and made them almost go up one division with nearly no material at all. Great coach this Håkan…

 

[baggio]

++ [ originally posted by Holygr4le ] ++
Worlds best coach by this measurements is a guy named Håkan in Sweden. Trained a club in the 6th division and made them almost go up one division with nearly no material at all. Great coach this Håkan…

Is that not an achievement in its own right? Just because he doesnt have the finest young attacking prospect in the game today, a superhuman Italian defender and perhaps the best midfield duo in recent history, his accomplishments become a lot less exaggerated.

Fact is, Capello's achievements cannot lay claim to being the best coach in the world. For the simple reason, he's never created a world beating side, only assembled it. That as far as I'm concerned is criteria enough to hold him from being defined as someone who can deal with the kind of adversity that makes the greatest coach in the world.

 

[Holygr4le]

++ [ originally posted by baggio ] ++



Is that not an achievement in its own right? Just because he doesnt have the finest young attacking prospect in the game today, a superhuman Italian defender and perhaps the best midfield duo in recent history, his accomplishments become a lot less exaggerated.

Fact is, Capello's achievements cannot lay claim to being the best coach in the world. For the simple reason, he's never created a world beating side, only assembled it. That as far as I'm concerned is criteria enough to hold him from being defined as someone who can deal with the kind of adversity that makes the greatest coach in the world.

The thing is that before we settle down and decides in what criteria we judge by we can argue until the end of times.
By now I know your criteria and by those you are completly correct.

 

[Azzurri7]

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++
I would like to see the outcome if Capello had to coach a side like Lecce or Fiorentina, and then be succeeded by Jose Mourinho just to compare results. It would be interesting indeed.

Mourinho basically built the 2004 Porto sqaud all by himself, and he was the master behind improving individual talents such as Deco and Riccardo Carvalho. I am not sure if Capello is adept enough to take a side like Porto and build them into a European Champion because he can only make do with what he has and what is provided to him, while we have seen what Mourniho can do in that respect. Therefore, combine this information with his resume, and you will see that Capello is no where near the best coach in the history of football...obvious really.

Though alot of you dislike Jose, But IMO, he's gonna be on Top of Football just like Trap....

As you said Andy, It'll be really Interesting to see Capello taking a charge of a team which HE needs to build the Squad himself.....

Another thing I agree on, is that Capello is no-where near the best coaches in Football History.....

 

[aressandro10]

how the hell sweeping victories with 3 big clubs could give birth to a notion that Capello would get raped in small clubs just left me annoyinglly frustrated... common sense i think would be that he has the best experience to instill winning mentality to the loser clubs. to add to all the technical experties. i am sure capello wouldnt do any worse than lippi or trappatoni should they manage lecce or sampdoria. is not granted you know that taking any big club would gurantee success. any coach is only as good as how good he can squeeze out from his players. And Capello has sqeeze enough good from Van Basten as mourinho did with deco. i dont know how many records must he broke to make u all convince. to me its doent matter matter which team he manage, if he manage to make them win a lot of things then he must have done a lot of goods.

 

[lestat_1987]

++ [ originally posted by baggio ] ++

After all, the Van Bastens, Gullits, Ibrahimovics, Cannavaros, Tottis, Batistutas and Vieiras only make the job a whole lot easier.

My point exactly. But that´s just one lind of criteria. Holy4 is right, so we would have to agree one criteria to discuss.

 

[jon4647]

capello didnt win every year with roma right ?

 

[Desmond]

++ [ originally posted by aressandro10 ] ++
how the hell sweeping victories with 3 big clubs could give birth to a notion that Capello would get raped in small clubs just left me annoyinglly frustrated... common sense i think would be that he has the best experience to instill winning mentality to the loser clubs. to add to all the technical experties. i am sure capello wouldnt do any worse than lippi or trappatoni should they manage lecce or sampdoria. is not granted you know that taking any big club would gurantee success. any coach is only as good as how good he can squeeze out from his players. And Capello has sqeeze enough good from Van Basten as mourinho did with deco. i dont know how many records must he broke to make u all convince. to me its doent matter matter which team he manage, if he manage to make them win a lot of things then he must have done a lot of goods.

Nobody's saying he'd get raped in a smaller club.It's just that nobody can be sure how he'd do.Many others have done great with smaller clubs before making the step up.

There's no way you could compare Van Basten with Deco, and you don't need a world class coach to make VB a star, especially not with that team around him. You don't need a Lippi to make a team like the current Barca tick.

So what if he's won alot?He was expected to win with Real, Milan and Juve.With Roma he had his share of ups and downs.And most importantly there's no telling if any coach could've won more with those teams, or even if Capello would have done as well with the teams that other managers succeeded with.

 

[Ascension]

++ [ originally posted by aressandro10 ] ++
how the hell sweeping victories with 3 big clubs could give birth to a notion that Capello would get raped in small clubs just left me annoyinglly frustrated... common sense i think would be that he has the best experience to instill winning mentality to the loser clubs. to add to all the technical experties. i am sure capello wouldnt do any worse than lippi or trappatoni should they manage lecce or sampdoria. is not granted you know that taking any big club would gurantee success. any coach is only as good as how good he can squeeze out from his players. And Capello has sqeeze enough good from Van Basten as mourinho did with deco. i dont know how many records must he broke to make u all convince. to me its doent matter matter which team he manage, if he manage to make them win a lot of things then he must have done a lot of goods.

 

[tassard]

So that's his thread.I don't know what's going on with this man.In some matches he is a genious and in other matches seems like an amateur coach.I think that his bad things are more than his good.I hope that we haven't already renew his contract.




LIPPI I MISS YOU

 

[Tom]

What was so brilliant about Lippi. I'm just gutted we didn't even attempt to get Jose over here.

 

[#10]

++ [ originally posted by Tom ] ++
What was so brilliant about Lippi. I'm just gutted we didn't even attempt to get Jose over here.

I was rooting for a monaco win