As far as in winning the CL? Well I have my doubts mate even if u may disagree with me
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Normally in Serie A there is a combination of big teams and small teams. A big team like Juventus should be able to defeat those small teams without any problem. Under Capello in charge, it is important for Juventus to score 1st and the other team cannot score. If they score 1st we cannot fight back. We r only capable of fighting against small teams, however it has shown that we cannot win Milan and Bayern when we r down. Sometimes Juventus is juz too patient to score, and there is no panic. To be honest, a change in tactics and pushing the players to attack will be able to solve the problem, yet Capello can't see it through his thick-rimmed glasses and still play patiently.
Speaking of this, it reminds me of Benitez. When his Liverpool is 1 - 0 down at the finals of the Toyota Cup, he immediately switch his plan and Liverpool attacked throughout the 2nd half, something which Juventus seriously lack and can't be seen under Capello. Never mind the scoreline, it is the process that counts.
And isn't Benitez the 1 who is the coach when Liverpool defeated Juventus in the 2rounds of CL? Liverpool isn't playing with a full squad. When we lost at Anfield, Alonso was benched. And when Liverpool came, Gerrard was injured. Yet we still can’t capitalize and still play patiently. Capello’s tactics worked under Benitez, and Benitez instructed his players to mark Zlatan closely and put so many ppl behind the ball when they scored. Since we can’t attack, we have to result to long balls to an English team, something which even Traore and Hyppia won’t be tested. With this Juventus is eliminated by the hands of Benitez, and our inability to retaliate in big games continue to frustrate me about Capello. To conclude Capello is too predictable, even Ancoletti has his plans set up when Milan won Juventus at the San Siro.
Speaking of this, it reminds me of Benitez. When his Liverpool is 1 - 0 down at the finals of the Toyota Cup, he immediately switch his plan and Liverpool attacked throughout the 2nd half, something which Juventus seriously lack and can't be seen under Capello. Never mind the scoreline, it is the process that counts.
And isn't Benitez the 1 who is the coach when Liverpool defeated Juventus in the 2rounds of CL? Liverpool isn't playing with a full squad. When we lost at Anfield, Alonso was benched. And when Liverpool came, Gerrard was injured. Yet we still can’t capitalize and still play patiently. Capello’s tactics worked under Benitez, and Benitez instructed his players to mark Zlatan closely and put so many ppl behind the ball when they scored. Since we can’t attack, we have to result to long balls to an English team, something which even Traore and Hyppia won’t be tested. With this Juventus is eliminated by the hands of Benitez, and our inability to retaliate in big games continue to frustrate me about Capello. To conclude Capello is too predictable, even Ancoletti has his plans set up when Milan won Juventus at the San Siro.
i dont think capello is the best.....(yes kill me now
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Black&White said "I think that Capello is the best coach, because he won important championships with big teams"
LOL, dont want to insult, but come on, you say he won with big teams......??? You supposed to win with big teams.....
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Ok, but to tell you the trueth, capello is more like a home league man.....His been coach for many seria a teams, so he knows a lot about italian league....
But when it comes to CL, he has had succes only with milan.....and well, milan was a very good team back then also.....CL competition was more easy back then imo...... He was with real 96-97 season...NB, real won CL next season!!! with another coach!
He didnt had any kind of success with roma in europe.....
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And i have to say, our perfomances in cl have gone down with capello.....i am not missing lippi, but to tell you the trueth, we played better in europe, the whole team played better....ofcourse we also had lucky moments....late late goals....but the overall performance was better imo.....
I know you might say, well it was his first year with juve and he just put the team together, thought out the first 11 or etc......but when we look how we did in seria a....then why our performances in europe arent so good. Also this year....against bayern....even that game what we won....we won because individual efforts imo....and thankfully we have trez..........
Thing is, i dont like the tactics what capello uses in CL.....ofcourse we might say look we killed real last year.....but again...it wasnt that good performance over all.....(come on, every normal coach would have put trez in, if not even start with him) and i think, we won that game more because of our good defensive work imo...... But when i think about 2002/2003 real juve game......we dominated and totaly overran real that year.....
I know, many might say, well we had a better team 2002/2003 season, but what you mean with that exactly......same time your saying emerson is the king on midfield and thank god we took him.....imo, we have a better defens then 2002/2003 season....trez is also after his injures in better form than that year imo.........
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I just think, capello isnt the coach who would bring as that CL.......i just dont like if we waste our talents, while we could rule the europe....
The thing is, when he had success with roma in seria a...he failed in CL and i think he is still more after home league trophy than europe trophy......
A stupid late late sub tactics might just cost us the chanses in europe i think......
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We need to improve in away games, against big teams!
)Black&White said "I think that Capello is the best coach, because he won important championships with big teams"
LOL, dont want to insult, but come on, you say he won with big teams......??? You supposed to win with big teams.....
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Ok, but to tell you the trueth, capello is more like a home league man.....His been coach for many seria a teams, so he knows a lot about italian league....
But when it comes to CL, he has had succes only with milan.....and well, milan was a very good team back then also.....CL competition was more easy back then imo...... He was with real 96-97 season...NB, real won CL next season!!! with another coach!
He didnt had any kind of success with roma in europe.....
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And i have to say, our perfomances in cl have gone down with capello.....i am not missing lippi, but to tell you the trueth, we played better in europe, the whole team played better....ofcourse we also had lucky moments....late late goals....but the overall performance was better imo.....
I know you might say, well it was his first year with juve and he just put the team together, thought out the first 11 or etc......but when we look how we did in seria a....then why our performances in europe arent so good. Also this year....against bayern....even that game what we won....we won because individual efforts imo....and thankfully we have trez..........
Thing is, i dont like the tactics what capello uses in CL.....ofcourse we might say look we killed real last year.....but again...it wasnt that good performance over all.....(come on, every normal coach would have put trez in, if not even start with him) and i think, we won that game more because of our good defensive work imo...... But when i think about 2002/2003 real juve game......we dominated and totaly overran real that year.....
I know, many might say, well we had a better team 2002/2003 season, but what you mean with that exactly......same time your saying emerson is the king on midfield and thank god we took him.....imo, we have a better defens then 2002/2003 season....trez is also after his injures in better form than that year imo.........
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I just think, capello isnt the coach who would bring as that CL.......i just dont like if we waste our talents, while we could rule the europe....
The thing is, when he had success with roma in seria a...he failed in CL and i think he is still more after home league trophy than europe trophy......
A stupid late late sub tactics might just cost us the chanses in europe i think......
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We need to improve in away games, against big teams!
capello arrogance, or how you say it in english, will cost us...... i have a feeling....
There was a poll topic some times ago about who would be next juve coach...there was some names, like deschamps, del neri, hiddink.... and i think we should get someone like deschamps....yes, his young coach, not very expierenced, but if i think about the future....i think juve is a team who should have a coach for years.....and there should be a respect between the coach and players....but capello after leaving milan, is more like a...."ok job done, i am gone now, who cares about the future and etc coach".......
Actually, as i write about this, i really start to think, we should get deschamps one day..... i know his young and etc....but he has played for juve(so he knows italian league and football), and the thing he got monaco to cl final was very impressive imo.....
I dont miss lippi, because he was with juve very long time and you need chanses(although i have a feeling, he might return some day), but i just dont think capello is really that good for juve....i dont exactly want someone like hiddink either....yes his doing well with psv....but after i search some info about his former managering...i am not that imressed about him either, he was holland coach, and was with real.. but then again..with psv his doing very well imo....with korea...well, some say thanks to refs...some something else....with australia he got to wc more because of luck imo....penaltyshootout the decider!
I read hiddink had discipline problems with players like davids, when he was holland nt coach....(so how he would get along with likes of ibra)
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maybe we really should go after some french coach, deschamps, leguen or houllier....or some younger italian coach..... or mourinho
There was a poll topic some times ago about who would be next juve coach...there was some names, like deschamps, del neri, hiddink.... and i think we should get someone like deschamps....yes, his young coach, not very expierenced, but if i think about the future....i think juve is a team who should have a coach for years.....and there should be a respect between the coach and players....but capello after leaving milan, is more like a...."ok job done, i am gone now, who cares about the future and etc coach".......
Actually, as i write about this, i really start to think, we should get deschamps one day..... i know his young and etc....but he has played for juve(so he knows italian league and football), and the thing he got monaco to cl final was very impressive imo.....
I dont miss lippi, because he was with juve very long time and you need chanses(although i have a feeling, he might return some day), but i just dont think capello is really that good for juve....i dont exactly want someone like hiddink either....yes his doing well with psv....but after i search some info about his former managering...i am not that imressed about him either, he was holland coach, and was with real.. but then again..with psv his doing very well imo....with korea...well, some say thanks to refs...some something else....with australia he got to wc more because of luck imo....penaltyshootout the decider!
I read hiddink had discipline problems with players like davids, when he was holland nt coach....(so how he would get along with likes of ibra)
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maybe we really should go after some french coach, deschamps, leguen or houllier....or some younger italian coach..... or mourinho
Sometimes sh!t happens in football mate, and we should/must be able to retaliate immediately, not hoping for miracles ot happen. And a coach should change his tactic depending on the situation, and not being outplayed by the tactics of the coach of the opposite side
The word is "complacency", a very good word to use in future arguments . TBH I really miss Lippi when he was promoted to NT coach, I really like him compared to Capello, but hey lets look ahead. I think that if 1 should be a coach of Juve, 1 thing to handle is the ego of Ibra. His expression during games has surfaced from time to time and we really need some1 who is able to control his ego, and teach him how to score. I think that young coaches have a problem dealing with that due to a lack of experience. After all different players play differently, and we don't want Zlatan to end up like the feud between him and VDV during their Ajax days. So I will still say Mourinho, even though his chances of coming r very slim. Up to now, I think only Capello is fit to the job at the moment as the Benitez, Mourinho and hiddink r attached ot their respective clubs.
Deschamps? let's not rush things. It's not easy running such a big club with big names.
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Stephan said:
capello arrogance, or how you say it in english, will cost us...... i have a feeling....
There was a poll topic some times ago about who would be next juve coach...there was some names, like deschamps, del neri, hiddink.... and i think we should get someone like deschamps....yes, his young coach, not very expierenced, but if i think about the future....i think juve is a team who should have a coach for years.....and there should be a respect between the coach and players....but capello after leaving milan, is more like a...."ok job done, i am gone now, who cares about the future and etc coach".......
Actually, as i write about this, i really start to think, we should get deschamps one day..... i know his young and etc....but he has played for juve(so he knows italian league and football), and the thing he got monaco to cl final was very impressive imo.....
I dont miss lippi, because he was with juve very long time and you need chanses(although i have a feeling, he might return some day), but i just dont think capello is really that good for juve....i dont exactly want someone like hiddink either....yes his doing well with psv....but after i search some info about his former managering...i am not that imressed about him either, he was holland coach, and was with real.. but then again..with psv his doing very well imo....with korea...well, some say thanks to refs...some something else....with australia he got to wc more because of luck imo....penaltyshootout the decider!
I read hiddink had discipline problems with players like davids, when he was holland nt coach....(so how he would get along with likes of ibra)
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maybe we really should go after some french coach, deschamps, leguen or houllier....or some younger italian coach..... or mourinho
There was a poll topic some times ago about who would be next juve coach...there was some names, like deschamps, del neri, hiddink.... and i think we should get someone like deschamps....yes, his young coach, not very expierenced, but if i think about the future....i think juve is a team who should have a coach for years.....and there should be a respect between the coach and players....but capello after leaving milan, is more like a...."ok job done, i am gone now, who cares about the future and etc coach".......
Actually, as i write about this, i really start to think, we should get deschamps one day..... i know his young and etc....but he has played for juve(so he knows italian league and football), and the thing he got monaco to cl final was very impressive imo.....
I dont miss lippi, because he was with juve very long time and you need chanses(although i have a feeling, he might return some day), but i just dont think capello is really that good for juve....i dont exactly want someone like hiddink either....yes his doing well with psv....but after i search some info about his former managering...i am not that imressed about him either, he was holland coach, and was with real.. but then again..with psv his doing very well imo....with korea...well, some say thanks to refs...some something else....with australia he got to wc more because of luck imo....penaltyshootout the decider!
I read hiddink had discipline problems with players like davids, when he was holland nt coach....(so how he would get along with likes of ibra)
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maybe we really should go after some french coach, deschamps, leguen or houllier....or some younger italian coach..... or mourinho
. TBH I really miss Lippi when he was promoted to NT coach, I really like him compared to Capello, but hey lets look ahead. I think that if 1 should be a coach of Juve, 1 thing to handle is the ego of Ibra. His expression during games has surfaced from time to time and we really need some1 who is able to control his ego, and teach him how to score. I think that young coaches have a problem dealing with that due to a lack of experience. After all different players play differently, and we don't want Zlatan to end up like the feud between him and VDV during their Ajax days. So I will still say Mourinho, even though his chances of coming r very slim. Up to now, I think only Capello is fit to the job at the moment as the Benitez, Mourinho and hiddink r attached ot their respective clubs. Deschamps? let's not rush things. It's not easy running such a big club with big names.
Zé Tahir said:
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To be honest, even if i never liked Capello as an individual, i have to recognize that he has fit in superbly as a Lippi`s sucesor. He has his big flaws, however, the results keep coming and the team has become so strong that normally wins even playing awfully.
I dont see right now a coach that can obtain for us better results. Mourinho?? In the remote case he would be willing to come and construct a new team (as he made it with Chelsea) is much time , money and effort involved to wait for an hypothetical success. Capello is a fact. And he is delivering the goods....
If we add to that the fact that he is having a special understanding and proximity with the triade, it looks like we have what it takes to be on top of the next three to five years.
IMO, the best that can happen to us is to have a contract signed by Giraudo-Moggi-Bettega- Capello for the next five years.....
I dont see right now a coach that can obtain for us better results. Mourinho?? In the remote case he would be willing to come and construct a new team (as he made it with Chelsea) is much time , money and effort involved to wait for an hypothetical success. Capello is a fact. And he is delivering the goods....
If we add to that the fact that he is having a special understanding and proximity with the triade, it looks like we have what it takes to be on top of the next three to five years.
IMO, the best that can happen to us is to have a contract signed by Giraudo-Moggi-Bettega- Capello for the next five years.....
That is true, even though I'm highlighting Capello's flaws in my previous posts, I still believe that only Capello is the suitable person for the job at the moment. He will bring us more Serie A titles to our names, however if he can change his tactics in the CL, I will definitely like him more. Capello's future is dependent on the triade as Eaglesnake stated, we will still remain big for the few years to come
Every manager constructs a new team....but with chelsea, he has also a lot of money and there for can buy more new players to make a good team.....now you might say, well capello didnt construct a new team, he had the players what he had.....but he also took emerson with him to juve....so already one player....
You said we win even playing afwully....but why we are playing afwully??? what i really dont like about capello, really is that our performances hasnt been that good always, even with 3 points.....ok, you might say, what do you want, after all points only counts....but i think our teamplay lacks of confidents and sometimes creativity or should i say agressive stile....
Thats the problem....its been a long time when we last won CL...and i guess many many fans want it....and i would prefer CL win any day instead of 3 or 4 or even more scudettos....
I just worry that those sub tactics will end our chanses in europe.....
right now its against brugge or rapid(mutu, zala, dp)...but think if we need goals against teams like chelsea, barca....and have those last 10 minutes.....
Capello also has started to make subs in seria a somewhere 80 minutes played....like against lazio...come on, its not normal....and i am afraid, if we need a goal, then cap still makes his subs late..... and he keeps that going always....i think if we might met someone like chelsea with mourinho, then we would be outclassed by tactics...because capello will put his subs in 80 minute.....
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