Calciopoli or Morattopoli.. inter fake orgasm (30 Viewers)

[adriano_c]

I read this, in fact I posted it here. Don't be tricked by their ability to spin shit into gold. The fact that other teams were discovered killed the exclusivity claim that founded the initial sentence. They can't say that though for one simple reason. They had (mere weeks before) announced that Moggi and Giraudo were banned for life and have since made it clear that they do not intend on changing that. If they came out and admitted that Moggi’s ban was a mistake he could request reinstatement etc. etc.

The revelations did not confirm Moggi’s guilt, at least not by any logical standard. They may have tried to salvage the theory to appear as though they nonetheless made the right decisions but it is all counterintuitive.

I've not been "tricked" by the report and I don't need you to explain the situation to me. I'm well aware that their verdicts, prosecutor recommendations and the like make zero sense when put together. Any person with commonsense can see that. The point is, though, that in the eyes of the FIGC (well, rather their official words, as they actually do know better), through Palazzi, Juventus remains "guilty."

To people capable of the most basic thought (i.e. not Inter scum), Juventus is in the clear. On record though, we aren't, as evidenced by their persistence with the debunked "Moggi system."

But hey, it's Italy, where "deciding not to decide" is an acceptable shield.

 

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[gsol]

I could kill right now.

Start in Milan

 

[Hust]

Start in Milan

What do you think will happen tomorrow? Do you have any clue what this so called relevation might be?

 

[gsol]

I've not been "tricked" by the report and I don't need you to explain the situation to me. I'm well aware that their verdicts, prosecutor recommendations and the like make zero sense when put together. Any person with commonsense can see that. The point is, though, that in the eyes of the FIGC (well, rather their official words, as they actually do know better), through Palazzi, Juventus remains "guilty."

To people capable of the most basic thought (i.e. not Inter scum), Juventus is in the clear. On record though, we aren't, as evidenced by their persistence with the debunked "Moggi system."

But hey, it's Italy, where "deciding not to decide" is an acceptable shield.

I see what you are saying but I think we were arguing two different points. It initially sounded as though you were saying the Moggi system was proven in the FIGCs release which is why I started to explain otherwise.

The truth is that the FIGC is just conveniently reluctant to admit that it didn’t exist even though anyone can put two and two together at this point and see it for themselves.

The FIGC is just not stupid enough to admit their mistake for fear of leaving themselves exposed to legal retaliation from those who suffered the consequences of their error years ago. They would rather go down with the “cupola” ship than admit it didn’t exist. That’s not the same as saying that Palazzi confirmed the existence of a Moggi system.

 

[gsol]

What do you think will happen tomorrow? Do you have any clue what this so called relevation might be?

Nothing will happen. Closing arguments, maybe more revelations of what we all already know but the decisions are still a month or so away so don't expect the earth to shake just yet.

 

[Hust]

I see what you are saying but I think we were arguing two different points. It initially sounded as though you were saying the Moggi system was proven in the FIGCs release which is why I started to explain otherwise.

The truth is that the FIGC is just conveniently reluctant to admit that it didn’t exist even though anyone can put two and two together at this point and see it for themselves.

The FIGC is just not stupid enough to admit their mistake for fear of leaving themselves exposed to legal retaliation from those who suffered the consequences of their error years ago. They would rather go down with the “cupola” ship than admit it didn’t exist. That’s not the same as saying that Palazzi confirmed the existence of a Moggi system.

Well, if for whatever reason, we win this in court and we actually get something out of all this is the legal way of saying the FIGC fucked up, AND THAT will open up the flood gates of retaliation of those who suffered from their error years ago.

 

[gsol]

Here's the killer call in its entirety by the way.


Telefonata Bergamo-Arbitro Pasquale Rodomonti DD.5205 ore 17.24 28-11-2004

B. Stai preparando bene la partita?
R. Sì, sì, sì…

B. Hai visto qualcosa oggi mentre ti riposavi?
R. No, ho visto quasi niente…

B. Però, mi raccomando… Hai faticato tanto per arrivare lì… Per ritornarci, e quindi io mi aspetti, credimi, che tu non sbagli niente.
R. Mi fa immensamente piacere quello che hai detto, perché è la verità.

B. Oltretutto, c’è una differenza di 15 punti tra le due squadre, capito? Quindi anche psicologicamente preparatici bene.
R. Va’ bene, tranquillo…

B. Le fatiche che hai durato non le devi mettere in discussione, fa la tua partita, non ce n’è per nessuno, e, se ti dico proprio la mia, in questo momento, se hai un dubbio, pensa più a chi è dietro piuttosto che chi è davanti, dammi retta!
R. Va bene, parola d’onore, va bene, sta tranquillo.

B. E’ una cosa che rimane tra me e te… Arrivare lassù lo sai quanto sia faticoso, e ritornare giù sarebbe per te proprio stupido. Fa la persona intelligente!
R. Perfetto, ho capito tutto!

B. La cosa rimane tra me e te, come mi auguro.
R. Vai tranquillo… No, no, tranquillo, io non parlo mai con gli altri di me.
B. Io ci conto, perché è soltanto una scelta per te, credimi, devi pensare a te stesso in questo momento.

 

[adriano_c]

I see what you are saying but I think we were arguing two different points. It initially sounded as though you were saying the Moggi system was proven in the FIGCs release which is why I started to explain otherwise.

I thought I was being pretty clear about my point from the beginning. First referring to the "FIGC stance" as baseless and then contradictory. Whatever though!

The truth is that the FIGC is just conveniently reluctant to admit that it didn’t exist even though anyone can put two and two together at this point and see it for themselves.

The FIGC is just not stupid enough to admit their mistake for fear of leaving themselves exposed to legal retaliation from those who suffered the consequences of their error years ago. They would rather go down with the “cupola” ship than admit it didn’t exist. That’s not the same as saying that Palazzi confirmed the existence of a Moggi system.

I never said he confirmed its existence (as that isn't actually possible in reality, since it didn't, and never did exist). I said that with his latest report he/they reconfirmed Juve's guilt via invoking the dead argument.

Anyway. Innocent forum misunderstanding!

-edit. Oh, I see where it stemmed from. The use of the word "confirmed". You thought I was using it in the sense of "proven to be true."

 

[adriano_c]

Here's the killer call by the way in its entirety by the way.


Telefonata Bergamo-Arbitro Pasquale Rodomonti DD.5205 ore 17.24 28-11-2004

B. Stai preparando bene la partita?
R. Sì, sì, sì…

B. Hai visto qualcosa oggi mentre ti riposavi?
R. No, ho visto quasi niente…

B. Però, mi raccomando… Hai faticato tanto per arrivare lì… Per ritornarci, e quindi io mi aspetti, credimi, che tu non sbagli niente.
R. Mi fa immensamente piacere quello che hai detto, perché è la verità.

B. Oltretutto, c’è una differenza di 15 punti tra le due squadre, capito? Quindi anche psicologicamente preparatici bene.
R. Va’ bene, tranquillo…

B. Le fatiche che hai durato non le devi mettere in discussione, fa la tua partita, non ce n’è per nessuno, e, se ti dico proprio la mia, in questo momento, se hai un dubbio, pensa più a chi è dietro piuttosto che chi è davanti, dammi retta!
R. Va bene, parola d’onore, va bene, sta tranquillo.

B. E’ una cosa che rimane tra me e te… Arrivare lassù lo sai quanto sia faticoso, e ritornare giù sarebbe per te proprio stupido. Fa la persona intelligente!
R. Perfetto, ho capito tutto!

B. La cosa rimane tra me e te, come mi auguro.
R. Vai tranquillo… No, no, tranquillo, io non parlo mai con gli altri di me.
B. Io ci conto, perché è soltanto una scelta per te, credimi, devi pensare a te stesso in questo momento.

Is this previously unreleased or something? Or is it the "Sept 27th revelation"? If it is, I don't see how it's a revelation at all, what with the report having already cited Inter attempted to influence the standings table (which this call seems to be about).

 

[gsol]

I thought I was being pretty clear about my point from the beginning. First referring to the "FIGC stance" as baseless and then contradictory. Whatever though!



I never said he confirmed its existence (as that isn't actually possible in reality, since it didn't, and never did exist). I said that with his latest report he/they reconfirmed Juve's guilt via invoking the dead argument.

Anyway. Innocent forum misunderstanding!

-edit. Oh, I see where it stemmed from. The use of the word "confirmed". You thought I was using it in the sense of "proven to be true."

likely

 

[Hust]

traaannnnsssllllaaattteeee plz.

 

[gsol]

Is this previously unreleased or something? Or is it the "Sept 27th revelation"? If it is, I don't see how it's a revelation at all, what with the report having already cited Inter attempted to influence the standings table (which this call seems to be about).

The revelation is simple. Moggi's "man on the inside" according to the prosecutors was always Bergamo (not even Pairetto) and here he is clearly fucking Moggi.

There goes their man on the inside theory (essential for the cupola). There goes the theory that Inter made similar requests but were ignored. Now it looks like Moggi was being taken for a ride and not Facchetti.

If Moggi controlled the referees without speaking to them because he communicated through Bergamo and Bergamo is all the while sticking it in Moggi's ass, how the fuck could Moggi control the referees?

 

[adriano_c]

The revelation is simple. Moggi's "man on the inside" according to the prosecutors was always Bergamo (not even Pairetto) and here he is clearly fucking Moggi.

There goes their man on the inside theory (essential for the cupola). There goes the theory that Inter made similar requests but were ignored. Now it looks like Moggi was being taken for a ride and not Facchetti.

If Moggi controlled the referees without speaking to them because he communicated through Bergamo and Bergamo is all the while sticking it in Moggi's ass, how the fuck could Moggi control the referees?

When you put it that way! Pretty interesting.

 

[Jem83]

Yes, and imo this also implies inter in a big way, because this call took place before the Juve-Inter game, and look at this part of the discussion:
B. Le fatiche che hai durato non le devi mettere in discussione, fa la tua partita, non ce n’è per nessuno, e, se ti dico proprio la mia, in questo momento, se hai un dubbio, pensa più a chi è dietro piuttosto che chi è davanti, dammi retta!
R. Va bene, parola d’onore, va bene, sta tranquillo.

B. E’ una cosa che rimane tra me e te… Arrivare lassù lo sai quanto sia faticoso, e ritornare giù sarebbe per te proprio stupido. Fa la persona intelligente!
R. Perfetto, ho capito tutto!

"Think more of those who are behind [Inter] than those who are ahead [Juve]"
"Don't worry, you have my word. Stay calm."
"It's something that must remain between you and me."
"Perfect, everything is understood."

If this is not a big revelation, then I don't know what is. At least if you compare it to the Moggi-calls. And like gsol said, this conversation destroys the "Moggi controlled the referees"-argument.

 

[Hust]

Unbelievable.

 

[Mark]

Some intertristi might grasp at anything to prove Juve still cheated or that call meant nothing since they were 15pts behind but don't forget milan was 6pts behind us and after that game 4. Moggi couldn't risk losing points here so if there was a "cupola" then it sucked big time.

 

[gsol]

traaannnnsssllllaaattteeee plz.

B. Are you getting ready for the game?
R. Yes yes yes…

B. Did you see anything while you were resting?
R. No I’ve seen almost nothing…

B. But listen… He suffered a lot to get to where you are… to come back, so I’m expecting, believe me, that you make no mistake.
R. What you said pleases me immensely, because it is true

B. On top of everything, there is a 15 point difference between teh teams, understand? So even psichologically, prepare yourself
R. No problem, don’t worry…

B. Don’t put your question marks on your struggles, do the match, don’t worry about anyone, and, if you want my opinion, in this moment, if you have any doubts, think more of who is behind as opposed to who is ahead, trust me!
R. No problem, I swear, no problem, don’t worry.

B. This is between you and me… To get up there is tough, and to go back down for you would be really stupid. Be the smart guy!
R. Perfect, I understand everything!

B. This is strictly between you and me.
R. Don’t worry… No, no, don’t worry, io I don’t talk to teh others about me.
B. I count on that, because it is your decision, believe me, you need to think about yourself in this moment.

 

[Mark]

clear threat that if you don,t help inter you'll ref in lega pro.

 

[adriano_c]

When does Moggi's trial close, anyway?

 

[Mark]

In this game there's a was pk to Juve but the ref didn't send off Toldo.