Calciopoli or Morattopoli.. inter fake orgasm (74 Viewers)

[Azzurri7]

"Juventus needs to give back titles? What titles? The titles that Juve won on the pitch while Inter was busy discussing Recoba's fake passport? Or those of the years when in order to find Inter's name you had to scroll down the Serie A table and use a calculator to add the points with at least another team' in order to equal Juve's point total? Let's not joke around, there's only one fake, cardboard scudetto-the one automatically assigned to Inter by the FIGC."

Moggi

 

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[Juventino★★★]

i think we are acting like childs here, by keep asking those 2 titles back.
Just like i said a few years ago, all what happened did happened, only to weaken us and permit Inter to win the titles they couldnt beat on the field.
Now they are the team to beat on the field and we have become the team who keeps asking to get 2 titles back, from the courts.
Ppl only see we cant win them on the field and after a decade of titles Moratti may give us one of those titles to keep us happy puppies.
We should rather focus on turning around the tide, smth that our current board has been proven, incapable of doing.

We look so pathetic now, craving from titles from our pity 7-9# and having our president to say we must remain loyal no matters (getting pummeled hard) in the 90' with the new seria A masters!

Whats even more pathetic is that the only person that did tried and still tries to do smth about Juve is still accused by a part of our so called "fans"...

its just right to ask for the titles when they won it fairly, they wont just shut up and build another winning team and anyway it doesnt have anything to do with our performance in the past to present year, they stole our titles and we want them back.

 

[Cronios]

The fans and players may want them back, but our current owners cant do nothing about it, we can only lose again in a fixed court and give another reason to laugh at us...

I disagree mate. It's our right only to ask for the two titles back. They are ours, won by our sweat and hardwork on the field. I know for one know that had I been in charge of Juve or in Moggi's place I wouldn't give up on those two Scudetti.

It is indeed, but when the time coms, not like that!
They say Inter hasnt lost a game home since the last time we had the team to beat them and that actually says a lot of things about the current balance of power.
The odds are against us and we are fighting a fight we cant win!
We should rather focus at strengthening our political influence or even better, earn back our credibility by winning them with their refs and demonstrate to the world and FICG that we were not there only because of the refs.

You don't feel it is worth Juve trying to clear its name, Cron?

Titles and compensation should only be a side issue.

We are not trying to clear our name, Moggi does, we just whine...

Guys, after all that its said and done, do you still trust the Italian justice system?
Or do you have the impression that anything has changed?
We should be working about changing things,
i dont see ambition and i dont want to win just a title/decade and that title be won on the court...
We used to be better than Inter, in many ways...
We are not them, lets not try that hard to become them!

 

[Alen]

Are we asking for the titles or are we simply asking Inter's 2005/06 title to be taken by the FIGC? I thought it's the latter.

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

http://www.nytimes.com/2000/05/15/sports/15iht-soccer.2.t_9.html

It sucked to lose in last day but reading this is a good nostalgia.

 

[Hust]

It sucked to lose in last day but reading this is a good nostalgia.

We were already under attack by ref accusations. Unbelievable.

 

[Red]

Guys, after all that its said and done, do you still trust the Italian justice system?

I have no faith in the system of sports justice.

I have an open mind regarding Italy's proper courts.

 

[Max]

I think there should just be a royal rumble of sorts, and the last man standing gets the 2005-2006 scudetto.

 

[Kasaki]

I think there should just be a royal rumble of sorts, and the last man standing gets the 2005-2006 scudetto.

With chiellini , buffon , sissoko, and melo ina 4-man tag team?

 

[Lo-Pan]

i think we are acting like childs here, by keep asking those 2 titles back.
Just like i said a few years ago, all what happened did happened, only to weaken us and permit Inter to win the titles they couldnt beat on the field.
Now they are the team to beat on the field and we have become the team who keeps asking to get 2 titles back, from the courts.
Ppl only see we cant win them on the field and after a decade of titles Moratti may give us one of those titles to keep us happy puppies.
We should rather focus on turning around the tide, smth that our current board has been proven, incapable of doing.

We look so pathetic now, craving from titles from our pity 7-9# and having our president to say we must remain loyal no matters (getting pummeled hard) in the 90' with the new seria A masters!

Whats even more pathetic is that the only person that did tried and still tries to do smth about Juve is still accused by a part of our so called "fans"...

I used to enjoy your lengthy posts, Cron, but of late, they seem to be stuck on cynical...its as if you have decided that the club is fucked, and remaining so...from the top to the bottom.

I disagree. And see Del Neri and Marotta's work making us already more exciting to watch, the team playing with a spirit and huger, and also quality (at times) which was absent for the WHOLE Of last season other than in perhaps two games. Moaning about DN and MArotta is one thing, but moaning about Andrea Agnelli for continuing the fight, to clear our name, and to expose others guilty of far more wrongdoing than us...to see Justice...moaning about that makes you seem less like a juventino. Because there is nothing childish about seeking Justice, when the proof is apparently already available, to prove our case. It would extremely weird if we were saying now 'what happened, happened...it doesnt matter if inter were guilty of far more wrong doing than us, and that they got our titles, organized our relegation...nevermind. we are juventus after all...fuck us over, and we will take it on the chin, then try catch you up in the future...'

I understand that Inter have a huge stranglehold over the very people we are asking to give us justice...but that doesn't mean we give up. And also, if Moggi doesn't feel that he is given a decent hearing, he will take the matter higher, to courts which Inter do not own...where evidence of wiretaps of not just footballers but visiting dignatries, could result in far worse trouble for Moratti and his goons. Unlikely, but possible...

Its like we are racing around a track, inter athlete trips us over, kick us in the face, then runs on to victory...every has seen the attack, its definitely against the rules...so we shake inter's hand after??? fuck no, we bite it off, we fight for justice, we behead inter.

You stay as the cynic, but I will remain proud of Andrea for fighting our cause.

 

[Cronios]

There was a time to make that stand and the Agnelli didnt move a finger!
Nothing has changed until the moment we had FIGS balls in our hands (TAR).
IMO claiming just those 2 titles back as a poor man trophy, only because we cant and we wont win a real trophy in a decade after calciopoli, is not justice!
I will not settle for that, knowing what we ought to have won since then.


Our political and press influence is as pitiless as it was back then, if Moratti is displeased, he will find a way to cancel those titles, or make the press present us as the evil doers again.
There will be no name clearing, (besides the one in our heart, but we already know the truth, arent we? )
The rest of the world has herd many undeniable facts from our side, not a single ref/team being payed by us and yet they are convinced we are guilty of matchfixing
(without even bother asking themselves, witch match we fixed...)
Truth is irrelevant. Moratti has ensured that even if we get those titles back it will mean nothing in the end, the whole point was that he will take the lion's share of the next titles, in the next decade.
We lost an empire and you worry about 2 cities...

On the other hand, i was always looking forward, just like i do now.
This is not a time for a consolation-court-title.
We won those titles on the field and one day we may reclaim them.
We can do this anytime and hopefully we will, when it really matters!
This is not the time IMO and we should focus elsewhere.

Agnelli know that they lost an empire, our present and our future, they know their Italian "cheap"collection of boys cannot win a title and they can only try for a consolation trophy. But they ignore that the world is watching.
Why, because they do not care, just like they didnt care when they lost the empire, just like they dont care when they keep compromising our future,
with such horrific experiments, as Secco, Ferrara and co.

They just want to suck the lost drops of what the name Juve used to be and then drop away the empty shell. Our interest is to strike back on all fronts and reclaim our position, but they only care about cheap tricks and momentary consolation victories, just like they did from day 1, on every aspect of their management.

Havent you asked yourself why the crusade for reclaim those 2 titles fired up right now? Just look at our position on the board and you will figure it out.
The rest of the fans are not bothered with mind tricks, like "exciting football" in a tiny exciting stadium and a crusade to reclaim 2 titles we earned "by cheating".

They only see that without lowers and refs, we cannot win a title,
this was supposed to be our priority since we got back from serie A
and know we have given up and only hope for a consolation...
They only see that Noratti was right, we got in serie B and he still claims we owe him more titles and we bow (except the "convict "Moggi", who has been excommunicated from our ranks)
Cynical or not, this is how it appears to every non juve fan,
i for one cannot settle with this!

 

[napoleonic]

We lost an empire and you worry about 2 cities...

 

[bianconero]

Thanks should be given to Moggi for carrying the vessel containing the old spirit of Juve.

Thank should be given and hope should reside.

 

[PiN7uRiCCHi0]

You are making a good point there, Cron. But you seem to forget the most important- what this titles really represent. They are not just simple 2 titles of our 29. For 4 years now they are representing our name. Having those two back would mean our name is cleared; would mean we never cheated; would mean we can be the best again. We can't move forwards, if we continue to look backwards.

And of course everyone knows the truth, even those fuckin' bastards sitting in the italian court, who took away our titles, know the truth. The question is- is really Moratti the one we should blame? Even though, he's the one that set up all this. But where the fuck was our board? Where the fuck were the Agnellis? So we have the balls and the brains, let alone the money, to orchestrate the whole two seasons in our favour, to win countless matches, simply because we cheated, but we can't even defend ourselves? The whole thing is a fuckin' joke.

I just hope this trial ends sooner, rather than later. So we can finally focus on ourselves.

 

[Hust]

I enjoy reading people telling us what the board should be doing as if they have ever been in similar position. Nothing like this has ever happened to any major team in any sport the way it happened to us. There is no right or wrong way to act, but the fact that we are acting is enough for me that if we act correctly and rationally then what more can we ask for? It is up to the courts and lets pray they act accordingly. If not, then we did what we could and so did Moggi.

 

[blondu]

good posts cron ...keep 'em up

 

[Furia Ceca]

Forza Moggi

 

[Hust]

There was a time to make that stand and the Agnelli didnt move a finger!
Nothing has changed until the moment we had FIGS balls in our hands (TAR).
IMO claiming just those 2 titles back as a poor man trophy, only because we cant and we wont win a real trophy in a decade after calciopoli, is not justice!
I will not settle for that, knowing what we ought to have won since then.


Our political and press influence is as pitiless as it was back then, if Moratti is displeased, he will find a way to cancel those titles, or make the press present us as the evil doers again.
There will be no name clearing, (besides the one in our heart, but we already know the truth, arent we? )
The rest of the world has herd many undeniable facts from our side, not a single ref/team being payed by us and yet they are convinced we are guilty of matchfixing
(without even bother asking themselves, witch match we fixed...)
Truth is irrelevant. Moratti has ensured that even if we get those titles back it will mean nothing in the end, the whole point was that he will take the lion's share of the next titles, in the next decade.
We lost an empire and you worry about 2 cities...

On the other hand, i was always looking forward, just like i do now.
This is not a time for a consolation-court-title.
We won those titles on the field and one day we may reclaim them.
We can do this anytime and hopefully we will, when it really matters!
This is not the time IMO and we should focus elsewhere.

Agnelli know that they lost an empire, our present and our future, they know their Italian "cheap"collection of boys cannot win a title and they can only try for a consolation trophy. But they ignore that the world is watching.
Why, because they do not care, just like they didnt care when they lost the empire, just like they dont care when they keep compromising our future,
with such horrific experiments, as Secco, Ferrara and co.

They just want to suck the lost drops of what the name Juve used to be and then drop away the empty shell. Our interest is to strike back on all fronts and reclaim our position, but they only care about cheap tricks and momentary consolation victories, just like they did from day 1, on every aspect of their management.

Havent you asked yourself why the crusade for reclaim those 2 titles fired up right now? Just look at our position on the board and you will figure it out.
The rest of the fans are not bothered with mind tricks, like "exciting football" in a tiny exciting stadium and a crusade to reclaim 2 titles we earned "by cheating".

They only see that without lowers and refs, we cannot win a title,
this was supposed to be our priority since we got back from serie A
and know we have given up and only hope for a consolation...
They only see that Noratti was right, we got in serie B and he still claims we owe him more titles and we bow (except the "convict "Moggi", who has been excommunicated from our ranks)
Cynical or not, this is how it appears to every non juve fan,
i for one cannot settle with this!

How is ?bowing" cron? I don't see anyone at juve dropping to their knees for Inter.

 

[Hust]

good posts cron ...keep 'em up

We could beat Inter 3-0 in an amazing game today and he will find a way to complain about something.

But I guess every online community needs an optimist and pessimist.


I love you Cron.

 

[The Pado]

Inter finished Third. They were handed the Scudetto by one man - Guido Rossi, a former director of Inter. The day he was appointed FIGC President, he went to Inter's training ground and mooched Inter jerseys for his grandchildren. So much for the illussion of impartiality. Later, he unilaterally decided that Inter were champions for 2006. A month later he resigned to head up TIM. TIM was the company that wiretapped all the clubs illegally, but also "lost" Inter's wiretaps (so, no evidence against Inter), and also headed by Inter director Tronchetta Provera, who hired Guido Rossi for his posh new job. It is as illegal as it gets, and Fuck all who criticize Juventus for pursuing this in court.