Calciopoli or Morattopoli.. inter fake orgasm (41 Viewers)

.zero

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So after all, we gonna emerge empty handed! :depressed
That's what I was saying all along

While most were calling for Inter to be relegated, stripped of titles, our titles returned and financial reimbursement -- a logical person should realize that that kind of restitution would be impossible and foolish. No governing body would backtrack and correct itself in such a manner.

People need to stop complaining and accept it. Italian football will suffer as a whole and this is another symptom of its disease
 

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I have a dream, a song to sing
To help me cope with anything
If you see the wonder of a fairy tale
You can take the future even if you fail
I believe in Moggi
Something good in everything I see
I believe in Moggi
When I know the time is right for me
I'll cross the stream - I have a dream
 

JCK

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That's what I was saying all along

While most were calling for Inter to be relegated, stripped of titles, our titles returned and financial reimbursement -- a logical person should realize that that kind of restitution would be impossible and foolish. No governing body would backtrack and correct itself in such a manner.

People need to stop complaining and accept it. Italian football will suffer as a whole and this is another symptom of its disease
Me too.
 
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gsol

gsol

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Oct 14, 2007
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    I agree. As time drags on I realize that the federation will not willfully bankrupt itself to pay punitive damages to one team and years of doing nothing amidst several opportunities have shown me that FIAT’s upper brass aren’t interested in rocking the boat. Too much cash at stake. They would get one big influx and then the well would run dry for a long time and the impact wouldn’t just be with Juve but the whole of the FIAT Empire.



    I think we’ll have to take what little satisfaction we can in the fact that we were right and were well within our rights to celebrate the titles of ’05 and ’06.
     

    white_rabbit

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    Apr 9, 2006
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    realistically, what do you expect from the trails?
    all innocent or all guilty?
    if all is innocent we will file for a revoking of our two stripped scudeti and some kind of compensation. but in reality the most we can get is just the scudeti but don't expect any cash (maybe the fines but no damages). but inter will still have the competitive advantage.

    if all is guilty, what will happen? they will revoke the 2006 scodeto from inter and fine them. maybe they will ban moratti if found guilty. but how is that good for juve?

    one thing is for sure. Inter already cashed in the competitive advantage for four years. there is no way to level the playing field.

    IMHO the best decision is all guilty with fines on the previously undamaged clubs and bans of guilty persons. this should at least help cleaning up the league in the future. but to insure the FICG doesn't screw up again rossi need to be prosecuted for his unjust decisions.
     
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    I have a dream, a song to sing
    To help me cope with anything
    If you see the wonder of a fairy tale
    You can take the future even if you fail
    I believe in Moggi
    Something good in everything I see
    I believe in Moggi
    When I know the time is right for me
    I'll cross the stream - I have a dream
    I used to sing that song in school! :touched:

    Except for the Moggi bit, of course.
     

    BIG DADDY!!!

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    Mar 12, 2004
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    Juvemania Moggi was so disagreeable?

    14:03 of May 7

    Ten days ago, the process of Naples Calciopoli a, Pierluigi Pairetto spoke thus: 'The federation urged us to have contacts with companies in order to avoid controversy that could end up in the newspapers. The same applies to the arbitration grid, in advance '. So: let's summarize the Pairetto thought. The FIGC knew and not only turned a blind eye. Indeed. Pushed the referee designators to have frequent and constant contact with companies and their executives. Not an immorality, then, but an established practice and, moreover, a directive arrived from the upper floors of the building. Grids? It was neither prohibited them know in advance, nor was it considered a bad thing. We are okay! Then worry. Not just as football fans and lovers of the most beautiful sport in the world. But most of all as citizens of the beautiful country.

    If all that was attributed to Luciano Moggi has proven a practice, because only then he was removed? Why was intercepted only the former general manager of Juventus and the other leaders connive? It was so nasty? Had exaggerated too much with his modus operandi, or have beaten a few feet too big? To date, frankly, it is clear that 'Big Luciano' bothered the palace. The control room of the football more than he could not arrogantly to feel omnipotent. Football was sick of him and of his victories. Some reached by illegal ways. According to insiders, not just Juventus, won on the field.

    The only error committed by Moggi was the delusion of omnipotence. Think you can do anything to be invincible and untraceable. So drastic measures were taken against him and against Juventus, a toy that is broken and will never work as well as before. Plus he has not understood why being Ferraris are not plaintiffs in the lawsuit against Moggi and Giraudo. But that's another story. The main theme, what is most alarming is that football has always been rotten and always will be. Moggi was at the time, it still is today. Teams are not punished for watches given away to the arbitrators, whose debts are not relegated to the bone and saved the bank en route to 'public order'. More prosecuted for false passports. Now executives and company not guilty to wiretapping very similar to those of the former Juventus general manager.

    All free. Still free to do the good and the bad weather. While some have paid a high price. Sucks. But where was the justice? Justice in that direction is looking at now? I as a citizen, frankly, I shiver and I am not at all protected by the judiciary. If my company did bankruptcy would not be saved for 'public order' and myself would risk jail and would pay every penny. If we were all guilty of atrocities described above, we would be thrown behind bars and painted as monsters. But this does not happen in football, or going part. As in every field of life, seeking only the scapegoat: a hit to educate percent. Mao Tse-Tung docet.

    We are a bit 'all scapegoats. We should look away from the Italian summary justice. And we especially disaffected football. But that's impossible. It 'always been the world's most beautiful game, but there is a rotten world. This is good news for Juve that was, but bad news for all football fans in Italy. And the shame game staged on Sunday night at the Olimpico in Rome between Lazio and Inter Milan is yet another confirmation. Half Europe is ashamed of our presence. We, however, it seems, we are used to 'cookies' end of the season and did not make a drama. Indeed: we justification and justice is watching. There is no shame and worry. Not like football fans, but as Italian citizens.

    http://www.calciomercato.com/index.php?c=7&a=179123
     

    cimenk

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    From what i read in Goal quoted from La Gazetta, the CD, DVD evidence is gone missing, but it just the evidence on 22 new taped calls which haven't published before.. And there is still the 76 calls before that we already read all the transcripts here..

    I think if the 76 calls that incriminated Facchetti is not enough to punish them or proved that Moggi is innocent. I don't think the other 22 missing evidence will help, except there is such an obvious call like the plot to down and manipulate the Moggi case..

    But still it made me afraid, damn the court for the missing evidence
     

    parashkev

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    Apr 29, 2010
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    I completely agree with gsol's opinion that all the top people in FIAT voluntarily played a part of the whole farce. The reasons are well described by him. There is no other way for things to happen like they did without the participation of top management.

    Now, I don't know what gsol thinks, but when I read the annual reports of FIAT, Exor, Eni, Fininvest, Pirelli, Telecom, Enel, Mediaset, RCS Mediagroup, Mediobanca, Italmobiliare, Generali, UniCredit, and Confindustria's management...well! These are all the same guys, just open the "Corporate Governance" page of any of these any many other companies and you'll see the same faces! I especially like the boards of RCS and Mediobanca, check them out, you won't regret it (or maybe you will...) Former politicians, lawmakers, bankers, people with power, all involved in football too.

    In my opinion football is just a cash-generating industry for all the guys in FIAT and all other top influential participants. Nothing more. We may be cursing Moratti and his gang, but it is all business for them and they don't really care who wins or how. Elkann does not give damn about Juventus's results, only thing he cares is to keep it profitable. The most important thing is to keep money flowing and this is the only spot where any difference can be made! These guys won't tear apart the whole industry (football) only to give justice to us! They inflicted the injustice in the first place, believing we would forgive and forget. And, lets face it, we would have fogotten had it not been for gsol's comments all these years and Moggi's crusade against that system. Everyone had already forgotten before the new evidence emerged.

    Now what these "businessmen" are doing is damage control, trying to check and calculate what is the minimum expense to be paid for forgetting it all again. For now they are testing the market (us) with the "revoke the 2006 scudetto" bargain. And they are waiting for our answer. And this is where we come. This is what we have to understand - that it is really up to us, how all this ends. I know it sounds impossible but think about it for a moment.

    All they care about is revenue - take it away from them and they will listen to us! We pay their salaries! We pay them through Juventus! Isn't this what they have been so proud about - how profitable Juventus us? Well, lets take it away from them! Stop going to games, stop buying shirts, stop paying member fees, stop watching them, stop financing them by any means possible - give them total and unconditional boycott until they start asking from the courts what we want - a fair trial and a fair decision!

    I absolutely 100% guarantee that when the numbers turn red for more than a month, they will act! Oh, and act they will! You will start reading about how injustice should be fixed, about higher principles and other incomprehensible things for them. The league is so and so fucked up, another financial blow from the most popular team would be disasterous. They don't care who wins, as long as money come in, never forget this, don't expect justice unless you demand it for real!

    I hereby ask anyone living in Italy and having connections with fan organizations to discuss such a move and implement it if possible! My deepest regret is that I do not live there and cannot do anything directly! But dear juventini, please, do something!

    Never forget it is all about profits! This is all they care about! Deny them their money and they will bow to you! Bring Juventus to the verge of bankruptcy and justice will be served! There is no other way! Let us talk their language, so they can understand what they have been pretending they do not!
     

    Max

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    Nice post and welcome to the forums, Parashkev. I agree with all that you touch upon, especially about how we should be reacting to the club. We've got to hit the pocketbooks of those who put Juventus into this mess in the first place.
     
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    gsol

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    Well written. I touched on this a while ago and see it as the only way that anything in Italy can change. They can't make us pay. The problem is in the logistics. There are 14 million Juventini in Italy. How many can you convince?

    The truth is that Juve's home games are already notorious for poor turn out because most Juve fans are scattered throughout Italy and not necessarily in Turin. The real drop would have to happen with TV revenue. Juventini would have to publically announce that they are not watching and those outside the country would have to do the same. When ratings plummet the sponsors would go elsewhere.

    Without Juve the league would only survive a short while. Serie A would lose most of its luster. The best case scenario would be if other fan bases joined in. Let’s be honest though. Italians like to complain. They’ll deal with something being wrong their whole lives so long as they can complain. They’d rather have their corrupt league and do nothing about it so long as they can piss and moan.
     

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