Calciopoli or Morattopoli.. inter fake orgasm (28 Viewers)
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I'm aware that Moggi has an amount of followers and some are very supportive of him but is it wrong of me to view him as the main reason our club's name was tainted and why we are in the mess we are currently in? There are many people calling for him back and I understand that next to the current board anyone would look great but I'm not sure i'd want this man back at the club. There must be plenty of people out there capable of doing a better job than the current board. If he proves his innocence in court I may change my views but I don't see him as a hero. He owes Juventus big time in my mind and hopefully he's going to do whatever he can to clear the club's name.... or bring down the rest of the corrupt individuals in Italy. It will never make up for what happened but it would be a start.
I'm not having a go at anybody who support Moggi but it's just my feeling at the moment.
I'm not having a go at anybody who support Moggi but it's just my feeling at the moment.
- Lol, Moggi did not tamper evidence. He just brought forward evidence that was withheld by the police officer in charge.
- The content of the calls was not what got us punished, as it has been proven in court that there was never any match fixing, and the ref selections were legit. It was the fact that only Moggi spoke to the league, and therefore this unique relationship gave Juventus an advantage over other clubs. These tapes prove Moggi was not the only one, and therefore they fucked up in 2006. Interista overlook this key fact because they do not understand y we were punished. If they did, they would realize that Moratti and Facchetti speaking to ref administrators is a big deal, regardless of what was said (which in Inter's case is incriminating as it appears gifts were given)
Not that it makes any difference, but it was Tronchetti who was Telecom Italia's largest shareholder, and it was Buora who was an executive (not owner) at the Gazzetta delle Inter
- The content of the calls was not what got us punished, as it has been proven in court that there was never any match fixing, and the ref selections were legit. It was the fact that only Moggi spoke to the league, and therefore this unique relationship gave Juventus an advantage over other clubs. These tapes prove Moggi was not the only one, and therefore they fucked up in 2006. Interista overlook this key fact because they do not understand y we were punished. If they did, they would realize that Moratti and Facchetti speaking to ref administrators is a big deal, regardless of what was said (which in Inter's case is incriminating as it appears gifts were given)
Not that it makes any difference, but it was Tronchetti who was Telecom Italia's largest shareholder, and it was Buora who was an executive (not owner) at the Gazzetta delle Inter
Facchetti's son: 'Hand back title'
Wednesday 14 April, 2010
The son of former Inter President Giacinto Facchetti has urged the club to “hand back” the contentious 2005-06 Scudetto.
The title was assigned to the Nerazzurri, who finished third behind Inter and Milan, following the Calciopoli scandal.
Now Luciano Moggi’s lawyers are publishing a series of wiretapped phone calls, including those between Facchetti and the refereeing designator Paolo Bergamo, in a bid to suggest Juventus were not alone in their rapport with the officials.
“He did call them, but it was in a different way to Moggi,” Facchetti’s son, Gianfelice, told Le Iene.
Nerazzurri legend Facchetti died in September 2006, soon after the Calciopoli scandal.
“The content was very different. Moggi’s lawyers are putting my father in the middle because the trial has reached a crucial stage.
“There has been serious and unacceptable falsification of the information, as the transcripts are not the same as the phone calls released to the media.”
However, Facchetti has told Inter to take the higher ground and silence the controversy around that so-called ‘Cardboard Scudetto.’
“It would be a shocking gesture to hand back the 2005-06 title, but one that would give our history even more credence.
“Even by giving that back, there will be those who want the other Scudetti that were stripped, but in my view simply releasing that tournament would be a winning move for Inter.”
This way the 2005-06 edition would simply not be assigned, like the 2004-05 Scudetto taken from Juventus.
Wednesday 14 April, 2010
The son of former Inter President Giacinto Facchetti has urged the club to “hand back” the contentious 2005-06 Scudetto.
The title was assigned to the Nerazzurri, who finished third behind Inter and Milan, following the Calciopoli scandal.
Now Luciano Moggi’s lawyers are publishing a series of wiretapped phone calls, including those between Facchetti and the refereeing designator Paolo Bergamo, in a bid to suggest Juventus were not alone in their rapport with the officials.
“He did call them, but it was in a different way to Moggi,” Facchetti’s son, Gianfelice, told Le Iene.
Nerazzurri legend Facchetti died in September 2006, soon after the Calciopoli scandal.
“The content was very different. Moggi’s lawyers are putting my father in the middle because the trial has reached a crucial stage.
“There has been serious and unacceptable falsification of the information, as the transcripts are not the same as the phone calls released to the media.”
However, Facchetti has told Inter to take the higher ground and silence the controversy around that so-called ‘Cardboard Scudetto.’
“It would be a shocking gesture to hand back the 2005-06 title, but one that would give our history even more credence.
“Even by giving that back, there will be those who want the other Scudetti that were stripped, but in my view simply releasing that tournament would be a winning move for Inter.”
This way the 2005-06 edition would simply not be assigned, like the 2004-05 Scudetto taken from Juventus.
Holy shit you guys kept busy today.
Someone mentioned the Swiss SIM cards and the fact that they came up on Tuesday. It was Moggi’s lawyer (I think Penta) that mentioned the Swiss cards (which Moggi did use) stating that he questioned the legitimacy of the manner in which the intercepting was taking place and who was “listening”.
Moggi eventually became aware of the eavesdropping when players he was interested in buying were suddenly being bid on by rival clubs which means that those listening were possibly gaining an advantage. NFL Patriots were charged with cheating when someone recorded the defensive plays of a rival in practice and Team McLaren was penalized as well in F1 when they were found to have stolen Ferrari files (for Ferrari Montezemolo rushed to court). He was alluding to this when he said that Moggi was forced to utilize Swiss SIMS in order to conduct transfer business in privacy.
In any case, Moggi won the Swiss SIM case in civil trial.
Someone mentioned the Swiss SIM cards and the fact that they came up on Tuesday. It was Moggi’s lawyer (I think Penta) that mentioned the Swiss cards (which Moggi did use) stating that he questioned the legitimacy of the manner in which the intercepting was taking place and who was “listening”.
Moggi eventually became aware of the eavesdropping when players he was interested in buying were suddenly being bid on by rival clubs which means that those listening were possibly gaining an advantage. NFL Patriots were charged with cheating when someone recorded the defensive plays of a rival in practice and Team McLaren was penalized as well in F1 when they were found to have stolen Ferrari files (for Ferrari Montezemolo rushed to court). He was alluding to this when he said that Moggi was forced to utilize Swiss SIMS in order to conduct transfer business in privacy.
In any case, Moggi won the Swiss SIM case in civil trial.
As far as the “everyone guilty or everyone innocent” argument. Don’t be so narrow-minded. The presumption that all calls were identical is not realistic. If a proper reexamination were to take place I think everyone would get minor infraction charges (point deductions on a small scale) for exceeding the number of calls deemed acceptable to designators but some of these calls are a little more scandalous and could yield harsher punishments (Meani sending a referee to a Swiss hair clinic for hair plugs, Facchetti having Collina placed in a grid and Bertini pulled out).
If this thing is reopened we could very well see Juventus properly tried for Article 1 violations and a handful of squads tried for Article 6.
In Italy though I doubt that will be as easy as it sounds.
If this thing is reopened we could very well see Juventus properly tried for Article 1 violations and a handful of squads tried for Article 6.
In Italy though I doubt that will be as easy as it sounds.
Regarding the money vs. titles argument. I want both. We are so far from that though that I’m not worrying about it. Moggi still has to win and the FIGC still has to reopen the case in the sporting tribunal. Even if all that occurs and our titles came back (admitting we were not supposed to be relegated), a civil suit would still have to take place where liability would be established. My assumption is that it would be spread out between Telecom, Inter, and the FIGC (maybe the RCS Media group too) but all that liability could only be established if Moggi charged Auricchio with evidence tampering and the trial were to uncover that Auricchio in fact tampered evidence for Telecom or Inter or the FIGC or all three.
We are far from any of that.
We are far from any of that.
So basicly he is saying... "My father is innocent, Moggi is conspiring against him... but we should return the scudetto just to show you how nice we are"
It's a good thing they have such retarded fans or they wouldn't have netted a dime since 2006. The best is that these guys think that the evidence today is bullshit and 4 years ago it was legit. In 2006 they were in a sporting tribunal...today they are in criminal court where the rules are so much more severe and they think Moggi is playing with the tapes and presenting fakes to show Facchetti in a sinister manner.
What he means to say is..."better give it back before they take it from us which will make us lose all credibility with our dumbass fans".
It's a good thing they have such retarded fans or they wouldn't have netted a dime since 2006. The best is that these guys think that the evidence today is bullshit and 4 years ago it was legit. In 2006 they were in a sporting tribunal...today they are in criminal court where the rules are so much more severe and they think Moggi is playing with the tapes and presenting fakes to show Facchetti in a sinister manner.
It's a good thing they have such retarded fans or they wouldn't have netted a dime since 2006. The best is that these guys think that the evidence today is bullshit and 4 years ago it was legit. In 2006 they were in a sporting tribunal...today they are in criminal court where the rules are so much more severe and they think Moggi is playing with the tapes and presenting fakes to show Facchetti in a sinister manner.
