Calciopoli or Morattopoli.. inter fake orgasm (45 Viewers)

[JCK]

did we ever get a reason why the Iaquinta goal was disallowed ??

it was a PERFECTLY good goal, ffs



so, according to the above statement, you agree that Moggi did no wrong

Well we are on page 100 of this thread and gsol has provided enough material that there was no proof against Moggi fixing matches. I don't have any material to counter that and I don't feel like it. It is actually beyond my concern. For me the Calciopoli trial was unfair, Moggi had power and he abused the system but there was no proof against him and Juventus were punished without proof against them. Same thing is happening now (maybe, maybe not) Moratti has power and he's abusing it? Is there a proof, I am sure there isn't. Will there be a trial that will destroy Inter and their power? Maybe, I hope so....

My whole point is that the whole system in Italy is corrupt and every now and then someone has to abuse it. That's just a normal reaction.

 

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[gsol]

Vinman their was a foul on another player from a player that wasn't Iaquinta. I watched the replay and saw nothing. That was the explanation though.

Jack, it is disgusting. It wasn't me that did it though. For the record I haven't stated that I have proof that Moratti is controlling football today (I do think it is rather obvious) but am fully aware that it is my opinion (and not just mine) but you were right to say it is a strong opinion. Numbers and corporate ties weigh pretty heavy.

 

[JuveAdam]

The topic here is relating to the past season's "fix" where we were convicted without proof.

This post proves how long this crap has been going round in circles. Gsol, the "fix" was 2 years ago.

In answer to your previous question, no dont turn a blind eye to it, but face facts, we have had about 20 seasons of favourable refs, so a couple of years of bad ones is just restoring the balance. Buy a scarf & a season ticket, get to the stadium & back our boys through the difficult times. Thats what being a fan about, not just when we are champions of Italy, Europe & the world, thats easy. This season, last year & the next 5 are when Juventus needs her fans the most, not to act like Interisti & bitch & moan, to shout their hearts out, wear the colours with more pride than ever before. Did Napoli or Fiorentina fans like seeing their clubs raped & relegated? No, but they have an even deeper love & respect for their shirts today. They expect nothing, fight for everything they want, not wait for it to be handed to them. Thats the mindset we need to adopt now, to stand by our old lady, to cherish what we still have, not cry over whats lost.

Look at it this way. Last year, who was the example we held up & admired? Ale & Gigi, who went in B as WORLD CUP WINNERS, never cried, never blamed the club, just loved it & stood by it. Then look at the way we were appalled by Camo's attitude, bitching at every turn, playing as though the club owed him. He'd have been in C with Verona if we didnt give him the opportunity to shine on the world stage. Now some of us are whinging & whining about the treatment. Just take it on the chin, whats done is done. 2 titles we wont get back? Lets win 3 more, nail on a 3rd star before anyone else gets 2 & prove that il bianconeri will always win, no matter what.

 

[gsol]

One other thing...if Agnelli was still alive, there is NO WAY IN HOLY HELL that we would have been relegated to B.....like Milan, we would have been docked a few points, and that would have been the end of it

We got punished so badly because we have a bunch of retards in charge now

Retards that are connected to our enemies no less. Look at confindustria and the RCS conglomerates. Elkan and Montezemolo have a lot of common interests with the Tronchetti-Merdatti group.

 

[JCK]

One other thing...if Agnelli was still alive, there is NO WAY IN HOLY HELL that we would have been relegated to B.....like Milan, we would have been docked a few points, and that would have been the end of it

We got punished so badly because we have a bunch of retards in charge now

That is very true. Agnelli was rich and powerful but that does not annoy gsol, it only annoys him that Moratti is rich and powerful. Refer to my previous post, it is all power abuse of the system.

 

[gsol]

Jack, Moggi had the power to get suspended over nothing for 5 years. That was how powerful he was. He certainly couldn't threaten to stop cutting sponsorship cheques to the federation like some people.

 

[JCK]

Jack, Moggi had the power to get suspended over nothing for 5 years. That was how powerful he was. He certainly couldn't threaten to stop cutting sponsorship cheques to the federation like some people.

Agnelli was powerful Moggi was powerful then someone else came stronger than Moggi and was able to kick him out of the picture. It is power and money but in the end

It's just a game Focker!

 

[gsol]

That is very true. Agnelli was rich and powerful but that does not annoy gsol, it only annoys him that Moratti is rich and powerful. Refer to my previous post, it is all power abuse of the system.

Agnelli was rich and powerful and didn't even finance Juve for 7 years let alone the FIGC. Can we say that about Moratti?

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

Agnelli was powerful Moggi was powerful then someone else came stronger than Moggi and was able to kick him out of the picture. It is power and money but in the end

It's just a game Focker!

it is not a game since billions euros in this circle

 

[Alen]

Here is what i think about everything that's been happening lately :

1. I don't believe that we're being robbed all the time and that the refs are responsible for Inter leading serie A

2. But i'm all for these tactics where people will slowly but surely start believing that this is exactly what's happening.
The number of the more intellegent people, who use their head instead of believing everything will always be smaller than the number of those.... i'll call them naive... who accept everything served to them on plate, without using their grey cells at all.
People believed that we were cheating. The whole Italy believed we were cheaters because 90% of them didn't think on their own but simply accepted what the media was telling them.
Now the same thing's happening. The media will make people believe that Inter are the cheaters while we are the victims.
It doesn't mean it's the truth but for us it's good anyway and i'm glad there are so many naive people who believe everything the newspapers say. And when the newspapers will be saying this day after day , it will become a fact, it will beome The Truth.
This "Truth" will help us the same way the Calciopoli "Truth" killed us.

To sumirize : I don't believe this, but i won't argue against it because i'll be shooting my foot if i do that.

 

[gsol]

JuveAdam those heroes you mentioned have spoken out against Farsopoli as well on different occasions and when you say we had 20 years of favorable officiating not only are you excusing all the times that referee errors cost us points but you now are sounding like the Interisti who listen to the hype instead of the numbers. Repeat, analysts have always stated that there was an equilibrium with officiating decisions in the past. You saying that we were favored doesn't mean that we were. The results show different.

If you think this doesn't matter though...why are you in this specific thread?

 

[gsol]

Alen, the media in Italy can fuck itself. I don't base my opinion on what they or the masses say. I base it on far more well founded sources. When Adiconsum says that Juve have been robbed 13 points while Inter have been given 6 I believe it because of who they are and what their stance is (impartial). Are those points all a coincidence? Maybe. Perhaps Moratti and Tronchetti sponsoring the federation has nothing to do with it. Peraps having a close friend working as the president of AIA (Italian Referee Association) like Gussoni has nothing to do with it. Maybe having another good friend who Moratti campaigned for (Giancarlo Abete) as FIGC President has nothing to do with it. Maybe being the Vice President of the league while owning the League leaders is another non issue.

But you've got to admit...the scenario doesn't exactly instill confidence in the system.

 

[Kosta]

We'll be right back after these messages.

 

[Lion]

We'll be right back after these messages.

that is great.

Here is what i think about everything that's been happening lately :


The number of the more intellegent people, who use their head instead of believing everything will always be smaller than the number of those.... i'll call them naive... who accept everything served to them on plate, without using their grey cells at all.
People believed that we were cheating. The whole Italy believed we were cheaters because 90% of them didn't think on their own but simply accepted what the media was telling them.

"A man chooses, a slave obeys!" -Andrew Ryan.

 

[Alen]

Alen, the media in Italy can fuck itself. I don't base my opinion on what they or the masses say. I base it on far more well founded sources. When Adiconsum says that Juve have been robbed 13 points while Inter have been given 6 I believe it because of who they are and what their stance is (impartial). Are those points all a coincidence? Maybe. Perhaps Moratti and Tronchetti sponsoring the federation has nothing to do with it. Peraps having a close friend working as the president of AIA (Italian Referee Association) like Gussoni has nothing to do with it. Maybe having another good friend who Moratti campaigned for (Giancarlo Abete) as FIGC President has nothing to do with it. Maybe being the Vice President of the league while owning the League leaders is another non issue.

But you've got to admit...the scenario doesn't exactly instill confidence in the system.

Lets put it this way gsol :
I support you and guys like you 100% . If i had money i would even sponsor you guys because you're actually helpfull here. Not helpfull only in the way of telling people some things they don't know, but helpful as in "telling them exactly what we (Juventus) want them to know, or believe".
You in particular, i don't put among the naive, so lets not misunderstand eachother about it. Naive are people who will believe every single thing you say without even trying to think if you're telling the truth or you're lying.

This being said, i'm not saying that you're lying here. Most of the things you said are actually facts, even though many people still don't believe it.
But things like "Juve have been robbed 13 points" aren't facts, you have to admit. This is only propaganda.
The difference between me, Jack and few others and member X and member Y on the other side is that we'll try to check this instead of blindly accepting it.
We watched all Juve matches this season. We are well aware that we've been literally robbed in some matches. But we most certainly wouldn't have had a 7 points advantage over Inter (according to the link you gave we would have had 7 pts advantage).
I know this, i know that there is not a chance in the world that Juve would've had 7 points more than Inter, but i'd like people in Italy to start believing that we would have had 7 points advantage over Inter if the refs were fair.

Like i once said, there is not a chance in the world to count how many points we lost due to the refs.
Can someone guarantee that we would have beaten Roma if the ref disallowed Totti's offside goal ? Because i see Turk counts that the refs cost us 2 points on that match.
Can someone guarantee that we wouldn't have lost against Napoli if the ref didn't give them 2 inexistant penalties ?

But even if things are this simple, you still can't get to the number 13. Not only that the refs didn't rob 13 points of Juve, but we even gained few points because the refs helped us.

 

[pavelnedved]

Refs were against Inter before that's why they didn't win.

they didn't win because there were better teams. it's simple

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Only a fool ducks when the truth is thrown at him.

Yes, i know, totally irrelevant.

 

[Alen]

they didn't win because there were better teams. it's simple

I agree
But can't the same thing be said about us this year ?

 

[gsol]

Alen there is a difference between mdia sensationalism and the results of a professional statistical analysis.

Those numbers are based on what can be judged. Sure it can't be totally accurate. For all I know if those two penalties weren't invented for Napoli Zalayeta would have scored a winner anyway. But it is a means to demonstrate a trend. You can't say that Inter are +6 and Juve are -13 and not acknowledge that things are unbalanced. Had the numbers been far closer (as they were in the past) no one would have had a reason to complain. That gap is big though.

 

[Vinman]

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