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I am assuming it is this: http://www.football-italia.net/64563...-bankrupt-figc
This actually sounds positive to an extent. It reads as though the FIGC are desperately trying to avoid paying us any money and if we are prepared to come to the table, negotiate, and settle out of court for less or no money, then we can almost name our terms. I think this is our best option. I am not sure how successful we would actually be in court, and even if we did win, what are the chances of actually receiving all that money? Minimal at best I would think. To be perfectly honest, I am not even really all that concerned with the money. I just want a formal apology and our scudetti back. This seems like the most realistic way of actually attaining those things and clearing our name.
This actually sounds positive to an extent. It reads as though the FIGC are desperately trying to avoid paying us any money and if we are prepared to come to the table, negotiate, and settle out of court for less or no money, then we can almost name our terms. I think this is our best option. I am not sure how successful we would actually be in court, and even if we did win, what are the chances of actually receiving all that money? Minimal at best I would think. To be perfectly honest, I am not even really all that concerned with the money. I just want a formal apology and our scudetti back. This seems like the most realistic way of actually attaining those things and clearing our name.
Federation President Carlo Tavecchio discusses Juventus’ Calciopoli lawsuit - 'the FIGC would go bankrupt’.
The final verdicts in the long running scandal were handed down by the criminal courts last week, with former Juventus directors Luciano Moggi and Antonio Giraudo acquitted on some charges, but not others.
The club is seeking €443m in damages from the Federation in a civil trial, citing loss of income, loss of players and damage to reputation for a scandal in which they believe they were unfairly singled out.
“I’ve always had great respect and affection for Turin,” Tavecchio told Tuttosport, a newspaper based in the city.
“Turin is also where the Federation was born [in 1898]. I supported Inter… well I no longer cheer for them but you know… however, I’ve always had a soft spot for Torino, for their history and tradition.
“Also, I was one of the few Inter fans who weren’t offended when Juve won.
“The thing that troubled me, though not personally, is the civil trial by Juventus, claiming €443m. How can that not be a problem?
“How can you go to lunch with someone, meanwhile they’re claiming €443m in damages from you? I don’t know how my predecessors did it.
“Every time I’ve met with [Juventus President Andrea] Agnelli he’s shown himself to be open to things, but we never went into details.
“We waited for the judgement of all levels of the Calciopoli courts. As for the liability action, Juventus have no chance after the Supreme Court ruling.
“The matter is closed. For other things, we’ll have to see.
“Other teams phoned the referees? It’s one thing to make calls to protest, it’s another to call to make agreements. The judgements are very clear.
“You can say that these things have been refuted in criminal law, but in sports it’s another thing. I have thought of everything and more regarding calls to the referees.
“The analysis by the Supreme Court shows that there were deliberate actions by the two Juventus directors.
“We don’t know the motivations [of the court for its decisions]? Sure, but in the meantime there have been convictions… or rather the statute of limitations came into effect, but the offence took place, from what I've read…
“I repeat, two directors from Juve, not from [amateur team] Bordighera.
“I’m not trying to block anything, what interests me now is the question of instability. The FIGC would go bankrupt if we gave Juventus that €443m.
“I’d rather just shake hands with Juve and tell everyone to tone it down, but I can’t do that. The FIGC has a dignity which we must get back.
“We’re servants to everyone, but slaves to no-one.
“Even Juventus have an interest [in the FIGC], with their players being in the national team, to set one party apart from everyone is useless.
“We just have to get rid of the claim for damages, then there’s nothing stopping us evaluating the rules and arguments that Juve believe should be evaluated.
“We are the first to understand that when you win a title on the field you have a right to it. The pre-Calciopoli Juventus did not need to win in court.
“[But] I have only one goal, to find an agreement with Juventus on the matter of the appeal [for damages]. Don’t put the cart before the horse.
“The big battle is the litigation, not the Scudetti.”
i Can't stop laughing
The final verdicts in the long running scandal were handed down by the criminal courts last week, with former Juventus directors Luciano Moggi and Antonio Giraudo acquitted on some charges, but not others.
The club is seeking €443m in damages from the Federation in a civil trial, citing loss of income, loss of players and damage to reputation for a scandal in which they believe they were unfairly singled out.
“I’ve always had great respect and affection for Turin,” Tavecchio told Tuttosport, a newspaper based in the city.
“Turin is also where the Federation was born [in 1898]. I supported Inter… well I no longer cheer for them but you know… however, I’ve always had a soft spot for Torino, for their history and tradition.
“Also, I was one of the few Inter fans who weren’t offended when Juve won.
“The thing that troubled me, though not personally, is the civil trial by Juventus, claiming €443m. How can that not be a problem?
“How can you go to lunch with someone, meanwhile they’re claiming €443m in damages from you? I don’t know how my predecessors did it.
“Every time I’ve met with [Juventus President Andrea] Agnelli he’s shown himself to be open to things, but we never went into details.
“We waited for the judgement of all levels of the Calciopoli courts. As for the liability action, Juventus have no chance after the Supreme Court ruling.
“The matter is closed. For other things, we’ll have to see.
“Other teams phoned the referees? It’s one thing to make calls to protest, it’s another to call to make agreements. The judgements are very clear.
“You can say that these things have been refuted in criminal law, but in sports it’s another thing. I have thought of everything and more regarding calls to the referees.
“The analysis by the Supreme Court shows that there were deliberate actions by the two Juventus directors.
“We don’t know the motivations [of the court for its decisions]? Sure, but in the meantime there have been convictions… or rather the statute of limitations came into effect, but the offence took place, from what I've read…
“I repeat, two directors from Juve, not from [amateur team] Bordighera.
“I’m not trying to block anything, what interests me now is the question of instability. The FIGC would go bankrupt if we gave Juventus that €443m.
“I’d rather just shake hands with Juve and tell everyone to tone it down, but I can’t do that. The FIGC has a dignity which we must get back.
“We’re servants to everyone, but slaves to no-one.
“Even Juventus have an interest [in the FIGC], with their players being in the national team, to set one party apart from everyone is useless.
“We just have to get rid of the claim for damages, then there’s nothing stopping us evaluating the rules and arguments that Juve believe should be evaluated.
“We are the first to understand that when you win a title on the field you have a right to it. The pre-Calciopoli Juventus did not need to win in court.
“[But] I have only one goal, to find an agreement with Juventus on the matter of the appeal [for damages]. Don’t put the cart before the horse.
“The big battle is the litigation, not the Scudetti.”
i Can't stop laughing
I think it would. It would at least give us the satisfaction of hearing them say that Juventus did nothing wrong and were unfairly targeted and punished. We would most likely get our scudetti back. That for me is the aim. Not money. Chances are that unless we settle out of court, the FIGC would tie it up in court for so long we would never see the money and even if it we did, it would be in 5-10 years and would be practically useless. Regaining our reputation in the public eye, and 32 official scudetti, as well as the satisfaction of seeing one taken away from the Interisti would more than keep me happy.
The Lega Serie A is saving Parma, not the FIGC. The FIGC have an influence on all facets of the game, but outside of the national team and refereeing, I am not sure that there is any area in which they have total control. They have money, but not Sky/Mediaset TV rights money and all the revenues associated with running a professional league. Unlike most countries, they do not even run the Coppa Italia.
The Lega Serie A is saving Parma, not the FIGC. The FIGC have an influence on all facets of the game, but outside of the national team and refereeing, I am not sure that there is any area in which they have total control. They have money, but not Sky/Mediaset TV rights money and all the revenues associated with running a professional league. Unlike most countries, they do not even run the Coppa Italia.
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Now 2 scuddetti later our money
Fuck tavechio
Now 2 scuddetti later our money
Fuck tavechio
400 million euros >>>> 2 past scudetti anytime... true juve fans and legends would agree that future investment > past honor considering the circumstances we are in ---> not rich enough compared to the top teams, think about it, how long must we as a club dreading over potential scenario that is other teams steal our pogba, morata etc???
Obviously we are never going to see over 400 million Euros. Tavecchio's crying like a little bitch is just to confuse the public and to paint Juve like the bad guy. Even if we win the civil case and are to be paid damages, I am sure that a deal will be struck that allows the FIGC to survive. The 400 million is completely irrelevant to the debate today and Tavecchio knows it. Fucking cunt.
Those scudetti were won with hard work, blood, sweat and tears. Our club and those players deserve to see their success recognised and honoured officially. No amount of money should deny them that privilege. I was shattered when those championships were revoked, and it would bring me the greatest satisfaction to see them returned to their rightful owner. I am immensely proud of our historical success and I have never met a Juventus fan who is not. I am a little bemused why you would treat it with disdain and put a price tag on the value of a championship.
Further, I am failing to see how I am not a 'true' Juventus fan for disagreeing with your notion. I would love the money but realistically, it is folly to make that our one and only aim. Should we be financially compensated? Absolutely. But we are far better off dealing with the FIGC on positive terms and settling for a little less than risking it all. Even if we went to court and won, and that is a big if, there really is minimal chance of seeing 400 million Euro. The FIGC will tie it up in court for years, with one appeal and postponement after another. Look how long it has taken for the final criminal charges to be settled. On the miraculous chance that we do see our money in 5-10 years, inflationary pressures and the time value of money will render it a lot less valuable.
I am just as angry with the FIGC as many of you here, but we will achieve nothing by bankrupting them. If they bankrupt, are we even sure that they have the net assets to pay our 400 million Euro in full?
Keep a real world view of the situation and remember this is Italy. Decisions do not get made because it is just and fair. Decisions get made because those with influence allow them to be made, and they are made in such a way that those people desire. Do not be fooled by the big flashing dollar signs. Our aim should be to strike a deal which is smart and beneficial for us as a club, instead of just vindictive towards the FIGC. Think beyond the headlines to the real world operation of the law.
Further, I am failing to see how I am not a 'true' Juventus fan for disagreeing with your notion. I would love the money but realistically, it is folly to make that our one and only aim. Should we be financially compensated? Absolutely. But we are far better off dealing with the FIGC on positive terms and settling for a little less than risking it all. Even if we went to court and won, and that is a big if, there really is minimal chance of seeing 400 million Euro. The FIGC will tie it up in court for years, with one appeal and postponement after another. Look how long it has taken for the final criminal charges to be settled. On the miraculous chance that we do see our money in 5-10 years, inflationary pressures and the time value of money will render it a lot less valuable.
I am just as angry with the FIGC as many of you here, but we will achieve nothing by bankrupting them. If they bankrupt, are we even sure that they have the net assets to pay our 400 million Euro in full?
Keep a real world view of the situation and remember this is Italy. Decisions do not get made because it is just and fair. Decisions get made because those with influence allow them to be made, and they are made in such a way that those people desire. Do not be fooled by the big flashing dollar signs. Our aim should be to strike a deal which is smart and beneficial for us as a club, instead of just vindictive towards the FIGC. Think beyond the headlines to the real world operation of the law.
Tavecchio is an idiot. I'd (And @Bjerknes) would love nothing more than to see Juve bankrupt FIGC
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We should go for both the money and the titles. Look at it this way, if a court rules in our favor of the money that is because they see we have a legit case and winning the money would mean that specific court found we weren't guilty which theoretically would mean those titles would be hours as well. OR works the other way, if we are handed back the titles by the FIGC because a court ruled in our favor then that would mean the same thing, that court didn't think we were guilty which means we would also be entitled to damages. We need to go for both.
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Since I can't post this in the Conte thread I will throw down this bad boy here:
What a sick and twisted relationship we have between the FIGC, Juventus & Conte.
One sent us to Serie B while less than a decade later tried to convict Conte of match fixing. Another complained endlessly about his innocence yet took the most important job from them while shitting on the club in the process that gave him everything. And the last is the core of the NT but is trying to get 443m and protect their innocence while the first claims the opposite.
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We should go for both the money and the titles. Look at it this way, if a court rules in our favor of the money that is because they see we have a legit case and winning the money would mean that specific court found we weren't guilty which theoretically would mean those titles would be hours as well. OR works the other way, if we are handed back the titles by the FIGC because a court ruled in our favor then that would mean the same thing, that court didn't think we were guilty which means we would also be entitled to damages. We need to go for both.
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Since I can't post this in the Conte thread I will throw down this bad boy here:
What a sick and twisted relationship we have between the FIGC, Juventus & Conte.
One sent us to Serie B while less than a decade later tried to convict Conte of match fixing. Another complained endlessly about his innocence yet took the most important job from them while shitting on the club in the process that gave him everything. And the last is the core of the NT but is trying to get 443m and protect their innocence while the first claims the opposite.
Go for both 
with real world view I'd take the money over 2 scudetti, sure past glory and honor are important, I can't disagree with that; but still the point I made before is far much more relevant for the current situation and our future.
past 2 scudetti WON'T MAKE the likes of POGBA AND MORATA stay as much as money would've made them to.
making FIGC bankrupt? gotta be not as dumb as that, do it 
way... 30 million euros over 15 years or even 15 million over 30 years
past 2 scudetti WON'T MAKE the likes of POGBA AND MORATA stay as much as money would've made them to.
making FIGC bankrupt?
gotta be not as dumb as that, do it way... 30 million euros over 15 years or even 15 million over 30 years