Calciopoli or Morattopoli.. inter fake orgasm (22 Viewers)
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ok, so you guys are just joking around 
but stop it now or you'll get a vacation. 
Like I said a million times, Juve should of got more deducted points than the other clubs involved(and others not punished) in Serie A. No refs were bought and no games were fixed but Moggi got his "power" get to his head.
You never know, maybe there was an inside/outside job but what I was asking for is equal treatment to every club and that didn't happen.
We won't get back the players, millions and other sh*t that we lost but if that Misson guy can prove that the verdict/case was not done properly the we could get a scudetto or 2 back. 27-29-31 bah!
Now let's concentrate on the present and think about winning on the field like we're used too and let the "good" lawyers to their jobs in the background.
but stop it now or you'll get a vacation. Like I said a million times, Juve should of got more deducted points than the other clubs involved(and others not punished) in Serie A. No refs were bought and no games were fixed but Moggi got his "power" get to his head.
You never know, maybe there was an inside/outside job but what I was asking for is equal treatment to every club and that didn't happen.
We won't get back the players, millions and other sh*t that we lost but if that Misson guy can prove that the verdict/case was not done properly the we could get a scudetto or 2 back. 27-29-31 bah!
Now let's concentrate on the present and think about winning on the field like we're used too and let the "good" lawyers
to their jobs in the background.
There's one massive, and with massive I mean M A S S I V E, flaw in that "impartial" write-up of yours. Seeing as I'm a nice bloke, I'll show you the way.
Look son, you provided more than one "piece of evidence" that Milan were heavily involved in Calciopoli. Fine, let's assume they were indeed. If so, how come Inter, the big bad boys, the masterminds behind everything sinister, the perpetrators of 9/11 and Tsunami, didn't inflict punishment on Milan like they did with poor hapless Juventus?
Afterall, if Inter were running everything from A-Z they would've absolutely attempted to destory Milan as well, especially with all this "evidence" on show. If relegating juventus based on hearsay was a piece of cake I'm sure wouldn't it have been that hard to eliminate Milan as well. But instead all Moratti could do is deduct a measly 8 points off 'em, inspite of all the EVIDENCE!! you displayed. So much for him being a criminal genius!
Yeah, time to re-think that book thinggy. Or may be you should go ahead and do it, but don't forget to include Cesare Zaccone's statements. You know who Zaccone is right? Juve's chief ATTORNEY. Oh wait, could he possibly be yet another Inter ally? Does his daughter in law work for Telecom?
Perhaps Capobianco's confessions would also add the necessary element of excitement to your book. Probably Nucini's too. Hell may be you should go as far as adding the glaring fact that every (ok, most.) juventino chooses to ignore: Both Moggi and Giraudo being tossed out like dogs even before the verdict was announced. Juventus didn't defend them, I wonder why...eventhough they've been at the club for ages. Note how none of the other implicated clubs made changes to their management (unlike Juventus), note how all the implicated clubs maintained innocence while Juventus seeked Serie B without penalization. Why would a totally 'clean' club accept their fate so easily? Why would Cobolli come out and say that this is a new clean and transparent Juventus?
P.S. Here's a nice article though, from a proper writer not some wannabe who must be spot on because he...speaks fluent ITALIAN!!!!. Wow, you must feel really proud.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/article718222.ece
Look son, you provided more than one "piece of evidence" that Milan were heavily involved in Calciopoli. Fine, let's assume they were indeed. If so, how come Inter, the big bad boys, the masterminds behind everything sinister, the perpetrators of 9/11 and Tsunami, didn't inflict punishment on Milan like they did with poor hapless Juventus?
Afterall, if Inter were running everything from A-Z they would've absolutely attempted to destory Milan as well, especially with all this "evidence" on show. If relegating juventus based on hearsay was a piece of cake I'm sure wouldn't it have been that hard to eliminate Milan as well. But instead all Moratti could do is deduct a measly 8 points off 'em, inspite of all the EVIDENCE!! you displayed. So much for him being a criminal genius!
Yeah, time to re-think that book thinggy. Or may be you should go ahead and do it, but don't forget to include Cesare Zaccone's statements. You know who Zaccone is right? Juve's chief ATTORNEY. Oh wait, could he possibly be yet another Inter ally? Does his daughter in law work for Telecom?
Perhaps Capobianco's confessions would also add the necessary element of excitement to your book. Probably Nucini's too. Hell may be you should go as far as adding the glaring fact that every (ok, most.) juventino chooses to ignore: Both Moggi and Giraudo being tossed out like dogs even before the verdict was announced. Juventus didn't defend them, I wonder why...eventhough they've been at the club for ages. Note how none of the other implicated clubs made changes to their management (unlike Juventus), note how all the implicated clubs maintained innocence while Juventus seeked Serie B without penalization. Why would a totally 'clean' club accept their fate so easily? Why would Cobolli come out and say that this is a new clean and transparent Juventus? P.S. Here's a nice article though, from a proper writer not some wannabe who must be spot on because he...speaks fluent ITALIAN!!!!. Wow, you must feel really proud.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/article718222.ece
And well you condescending prick, hope we will see you around here in early november when we play you're mob.
Apparently Zaccone is though..
“The dossier that was given to us included so many infractions made by Luciano Moggi and Antonio Giraudo, who were representing the club at the time.
“There wasn’t much to do considering their illegal actions, and Juventus was inevitably responding for them.
“Our situation was tragic, what could we do? We couldn’t defend Moggi or Giraudo.
“There were so many accusations against us and the obvious punishment was Serie C. So we asked for the Serie B without penalisation.”
“We deserved Serie C, so being put in Serie B was a good result – we did it to make Juve survive”
“The dossier that was given to us included so many infractions made by Luciano Moggi and Antonio Giraudo, who were representing the club at the time.
“There wasn’t much to do considering their illegal actions, and Juventus was inevitably responding for them.
“Our situation was tragic, what could we do? We couldn’t defend Moggi or Giraudo.
“There were so many accusations against us and the obvious punishment was Serie C. So we asked for the Serie B without penalisation.”
“We deserved Serie C, so being put in Serie B was a good result – we did it to make Juve survive”
This topic has potential! Gsol may be an important catalyst, i share his views and concern and i have to underline that this was my opinion long before calciopoli,
i knew this facts before gsol posted them, we had our fair share of digging last year...
I wish Rebel and Elisa would participate too and i would like to hear more opinions (Paul's, Nick's, Altair's, Kaiser's etc etc)
I understand that this story has become boring for many of you, we have to fight/debate for a lost cause, we can only seek frustration out of this,
there is absolutely nothing we can do to change anything.
BUT we cannot ignore the truth, we cannot tolerate this unfair and biased conviction without a word. As Juve fans, we have the right to do that.
If some of us are too tired for this, or lack the courage, it doesnt mean they are less fans than the rest. We are hear because we like football, politics may control soccer and its results but this is not smth most of the ppl need to know.
Some of them dont know, some of them dont care and some of them, know and refuse to believe that.
Point is, that everyone has his views about this, the more opinion we hear the more objective our final "verdict" might be. This "verdict" might not change Juve's fight, might not cure cancer or saving the world by nay means.
But it might help some ppl who want to know more, to understand some things they missed.
However is not interested, should bother to check this thread, however does and participates needs to respect his fellow participants.
(Jack its ok, there is nothing we can do about it, u dont have to participate anymore, just keep an eye on the kids here, be fair, dont ban them or close this thread for no reason)
(Turk i agree with you 100%, but you need to use more arguments before attacking someone, though u were provoked this time.)
(Denco i appreciate your opinion and i respect your judgement in most of the matters, actually most of the times i agree with you and i rarely have the chance to debate you for smth
BUT this time, i think you need to change your approach here.
I know you are very very very objective and you prefer to sacrifice your own interests for the objectiveness, this forum, in general seriously lacks posters like your self and your agressiveness towards biased opinions is fully justified most of the times, even when Juventus interests are in line
BUT this time you are wrong, not only as a Juve fan, but also as a football fan.
We are not judges or lawmakers here, neither God.
We are just humans and humans are always biased and are rarely neutral,
we do not discuss this matter as an academic, moral debate. We are discussing this matter out of football fans view.
I always believed that Juventus IS guilty for many things, we ARE using illegal substances to enhance our players performance, we are using are political influence to determine a result that would favor our team,
if God himself was passing judgment then indeed, we had to paid the consequenses, but there is no man who can pass judgement in real life.
Our trial was ubber hypocrisy, how can you ignore that???
The facts presented, are not sufficient to determine our degree of guilt,
how can you be pleased about the final verdict?
How can you blindfully trust a corrupted justice system???
How can you totally ignore the circumstances of our crimes??
If you seek truth and fairness, you should seek the purge of ALL guilty parties.
Its like sending a soldier in jail because he killed someone during war,
punish him for everything, claim that he should stop the war by himself and he ought to try alone and change that, while ignoring the circumstances and the real masterminds of the ones that started the war and have the powers to stop it!
Juventus IS a WEAK club politically, we ARE helpless (after Agnelli's death, EPO trials and silenzio stampa proved that long before calciopoli), our number of fans cant do nothing, justice cant do nothing to help us against the ppl who control everything!!
I m really sorry you cant realise that, i was certain you could do better than that. Calciopoli wasnt poetical juctice, even if you wish that, you have to open your eyes and see what happened, the accusations and verdicts were delivered by Gazzetta, the rest were mere puppets/pawns.
And the WORST thing is, it isnt over, NOTHING hasnt changed!!
Our enemies, united, just delivered a decisive strike, the war is still on and it will like that FOREVER, noone can change that, you can only ignore the truth and pretend this is not happening. The only thing that has really changed is the equation of balances, THATS IT!!
That was the only reason that everything happened...
And i m 1000% certain that history will prove that, there is reason to attack gsol or anyone else who want to help for this process, facts speak for themselves.
The facts presented for the trial were false and meant to corrupt the truth and help to deliver the predetermined verdict.
I m not saying that the real facts would prove us innocent, we are not innocent,
but our degree of guilt is much more different than that and this is what we are talking about here...It is important, justice did not prevailed here, by any means! )
( J.Zanetti you have the right to forget/ignore the facts and remember the tiny details that support your opinion but you dont have the right abuse ppl
Sometimes you help the conversation with valid arguments and the third perspective, i guess this is the reason your presence here, is tolerated...
You know there was absolutely no change in hell that Berlusca would pay the bell,
the massive blow Moratti and CO prepared aimed Juve, just because Juve was the easy victim. Lions dont hunt tigers, they hunt Zebras
Since Milan was actually controlling calcio, there was on way any evidence presented wouldnt include her and harm her in a way, that as an interested side effect. But Milan was such a big fish to catch, they would rather sink the whole ship than allow to get busted. I m sure you are aware the TV rights situation,
the excuse that didnt let Milan to relegate among with Juve.
And i know you are smart enough to understand that you might prefer to blackmail an enemy you cant get rid of without losing your own life.
The milan sides came to an agreement, they will share the power Juve once had and tried to preserve, thats more than enough for now.
Milan avoided any major penalty, they were just lost a title they should get after ranking second after Juve and got amputated for a short but effective period of time in transfer market. But they did preserved and further increased their influence in calcio's fate:eyebrows:
Moratti couldnt do any better then that atm, that was the first step to bring down Berlusca's empire while finishing off the old lady and pave the way for the most promising future...its almost more than enough already! )
i knew this facts before gsol posted them, we had our fair share of digging last year...
I wish Rebel and Elisa would participate too and i would like to hear more opinions (Paul's, Nick's, Altair's, Kaiser's etc etc)
I understand that this story has become boring for many of you, we have to fight/debate for a lost cause, we can only seek frustration out of this,
there is absolutely nothing we can do to change anything.
BUT we cannot ignore the truth, we cannot tolerate this unfair and biased conviction without a word. As Juve fans, we have the right to do that.
If some of us are too tired for this, or lack the courage, it doesnt mean they are less fans than the rest. We are hear because we like football, politics may control soccer and its results but this is not smth most of the ppl need to know.
Some of them dont know, some of them dont care and some of them, know and refuse to believe that.
Point is, that everyone has his views about this, the more opinion we hear the more objective our final "verdict" might be. This "verdict" might not change Juve's fight, might not cure cancer or saving the world by nay means.
But it might help some ppl who want to know more, to understand some things they missed.
However is not interested, should bother to check this thread, however does and participates needs to respect his fellow participants.
(Jack its ok, there is nothing we can do about it, u dont have to participate anymore, just keep an eye on the kids here, be fair, dont ban them or close this thread for no reason)
(Turk i agree with you 100%, but you need to use more arguments before attacking someone, though u were provoked this time.)
(Denco i appreciate your opinion and i respect your judgement in most of the matters, actually most of the times i agree with you and i rarely have the chance to debate you for smth
BUT this time, i think you need to change your approach here.
I know you are very very very objective and you prefer to sacrifice your own interests for the objectiveness, this forum, in general seriously lacks posters like your self and your agressiveness towards biased opinions is fully justified most of the times, even when Juventus interests are in line
BUT this time you are wrong, not only as a Juve fan, but also as a football fan.
We are not judges or lawmakers here, neither God.
We are just humans and humans are always biased and are rarely neutral,
we do not discuss this matter as an academic, moral debate. We are discussing this matter out of football fans view.
I always believed that Juventus IS guilty for many things, we ARE using illegal substances to enhance our players performance, we are using are political influence to determine a result that would favor our team,
if God himself was passing judgment then indeed, we had to paid the consequenses, but there is no man who can pass judgement in real life.
Our trial was ubber hypocrisy, how can you ignore that???
The facts presented, are not sufficient to determine our degree of guilt,
how can you be pleased about the final verdict?
How can you blindfully trust a corrupted justice system???
How can you totally ignore the circumstances of our crimes??
If you seek truth and fairness, you should seek the purge of ALL guilty parties.
Its like sending a soldier in jail because he killed someone during war,
punish him for everything, claim that he should stop the war by himself and he ought to try alone and change that, while ignoring the circumstances and the real masterminds of the ones that started the war and have the powers to stop it!
Juventus IS a WEAK club politically, we ARE helpless (after Agnelli's death, EPO trials and silenzio stampa proved that long before calciopoli), our number of fans cant do nothing, justice cant do nothing to help us against the ppl who control everything!!
I m really sorry you cant realise that, i was certain you could do better than that. Calciopoli wasnt poetical juctice, even if you wish that, you have to open your eyes and see what happened, the accusations and verdicts were delivered by Gazzetta, the rest were mere puppets/pawns.
And the WORST thing is, it isnt over, NOTHING hasnt changed!!
Our enemies, united, just delivered a decisive strike, the war is still on and it will like that FOREVER, noone can change that, you can only ignore the truth and pretend this is not happening. The only thing that has really changed is the equation of balances, THATS IT!!
That was the only reason that everything happened...
And i m 1000% certain that history will prove that, there is reason to attack gsol or anyone else who want to help for this process, facts speak for themselves.
The facts presented for the trial were false and meant to corrupt the truth and help to deliver the predetermined verdict.
I m not saying that the real facts would prove us innocent, we are not innocent,
but our degree of guilt is much more different than that and this is what we are talking about here...It is important, justice did not prevailed here, by any means! )
( J.Zanetti you have the right to forget/ignore the facts and remember the tiny details that support your opinion but you dont have the right abuse ppl
Sometimes you help the conversation with valid arguments and the third perspective, i guess this is the reason your presence here, is tolerated...
You know there was absolutely no change in hell that Berlusca would pay the bell,
the massive blow Moratti and CO prepared aimed Juve, just because Juve was the easy victim. Lions dont hunt tigers, they hunt Zebras
Since Milan was actually controlling calcio, there was on way any evidence presented wouldnt include her and harm her in a way, that as an interested side effect. But Milan was such a big fish to catch, they would rather sink the whole ship than allow to get busted. I m sure you are aware the TV rights situation,
the excuse that didnt let Milan to relegate among with Juve.
And i know you are smart enough to understand that you might prefer to blackmail an enemy you cant get rid of without losing your own life.
The milan sides came to an agreement, they will share the power Juve once had and tried to preserve, thats more than enough for now.
Milan avoided any major penalty, they were just lost a title they should get after ranking second after Juve and got amputated for a short but effective period of time in transfer market. But they did preserved and further increased their influence in calcio's fate:eyebrows:
Moratti couldnt do any better then that atm, that was the first step to bring down Berlusca's empire while finishing off the old lady and pave the way for the most promising future...its almost more than enough already! )
For those who believe we are guilty, can u please state which games were proven to have been "fixed".
Also, if you actually find these mystery games, can u explain how the ref's of those games involved were innocent?
If u cant answer those questions, u have no right to criticize Juventus.
Reading this thread, all I see, aside from gsol, are ppl making personal claims and claiming they're factual. Unless u can cite your claims with official documents, you're wrong. Take away the sensationalist media, and u would have nothing to back you up.
Also, if you actually find these mystery games, can u explain how the ref's of those games involved were innocent?
If u cant answer those questions, u have no right to criticize Juventus.
Reading this thread, all I see, aside from gsol, are ppl making personal claims and claiming they're factual. Unless u can cite your claims with official documents, you're wrong. Take away the sensationalist media, and u would have nothing to back you up.