I've always been meaning to ask you this Hoori, do you consider yourself an atheist? an agnostic? Or do you believe there is a god, but you just don't believe in religion??
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Teaching her not to be a whore better come by default 
The example about slutty vs conservative dressing was just meant to show the extra layer of "protection" traditionally used to ward off horn balls from harassing her..
Personally , I am all about raising children in healthy environments that allow them to make decisions on their own rather than being forced....but at the same time just for the sake of my own daughters well being in public I WILL tell her to go change out of slutty outfit just because i have been there and know how she will be perceived ...
The example about slutty vs conservative dressing was just meant to show the extra layer of "protection" traditionally used to ward off horn balls from harassing her..
Personally , I am all about raising children in healthy environments that allow them to make decisions on their own rather than being forced....but at the same time just for the sake of my own daughters well being in public I WILL tell her to go change out of slutty outfit just because i have been there and know how she will be perceived ...
Not all muslims see it at that way. I think your background has played a part in you seeing it this way, a lot of of them are open minded in religious matters and would seek to search the truth within the religion.
Intimidation? None in Quran, it all depends on how you see it. Its a book of guidance with verses benefiting mankind and stark warnings of what is to come as well as moral raising and joyous promises for those who follow the orders. Of course just like previous unaltered scriptious no different. This discussion can go on forever so I wont elaborate (but further discussion on quran itself can be brought towards pm). Thats solely upto the person if they choose to accept it or not.
Upbringing, well whats wrong with quite a lot of muslims is that they dont explain why they are doing it etc, simple questions asked by children are ignored by these people, simply because they dont have knowledge of their own religion sadly this ignorance spreads. Your somewhat right though as if you began questioning you would proberly be intimidated by these type of ignorant muslims. As a result of getting stick from these type of people you develop hatred and dislike you will never gain a correct understanding. Religion should be judged upon its scriptures and not its people.
Just like you apostated, on the other side of the field try asking a revert of what brought him to islam and you might understand there remains two sides to a story.
Intimidation? None in Quran, it all depends on how you see it. Its a book of guidance with verses benefiting mankind and stark warnings of what is to come as well as moral raising and joyous promises for those who follow the orders. Of course just like previous unaltered scriptious no different. This discussion can go on forever so I wont elaborate (but further discussion on quran itself can be brought towards pm). Thats solely upto the person if they choose to accept it or not.
Upbringing, well whats wrong with quite a lot of muslims is that they dont explain why they are doing it etc, simple questions asked by children are ignored by these people, simply because they dont have knowledge of their own religion sadly this ignorance spreads. Your somewhat right though as if you began questioning you would proberly be intimidated by these type of ignorant muslims. As a result of getting stick from these type of people you develop hatred and dislike you will never gain a correct understanding. Religion should be judged upon its scriptures and not its people.
Just like you apostated, on the other side of the field try asking a revert of what brought him to islam and you might understand there remains two sides to a story.
The royalty must be consumming a helluva lot of johnny walker for being biggest importer. Funny they seem to be pretty much sober everytime they appear in public.
Im sorry but a whole country cant be judged upon the leaders. It would have been better if you came out with facts here rather than accusations. There could and proberly is some truth to it that handful of the rich 'royalty' are abusing their position but its nothing new in a world run by clowns.
Im sorry but a whole country cant be judged upon the leaders. It would have been better if you came out with facts here rather than accusations. There could and proberly is some truth to it that handful of the rich 'royalty' are abusing their position but its nothing new in a world run by clowns.
Teaching her not to be a whore better come by default
The example about slutty vs conservative dressing was just meant to show the extra layer of "protection" traditionally used to ward off horn balls from harassing her..
Personally , I am all about raising children in healthy environments that allow them to make decisions on their own rather than being forced....but at the same time just for the sake of my own daughters well being in public I WILL tell her to go change out of slutty outfit just because i have been there and know how she will be perceived ...
The example about slutty vs conservative dressing was just meant to show the extra layer of "protection" traditionally used to ward off horn balls from harassing her..
Personally , I am all about raising children in healthy environments that allow them to make decisions on their own rather than being forced....but at the same time just for the sake of my own daughters well being in public I WILL tell her to go change out of slutty outfit just because i have been there and know how she will be perceived ...
See people here judge by looks.
Your daughter goes out wearing a skirt.. not only she will be heavily harassed but people will start talking (not to mention the possibility of getting raped).
In a couple of days the whole area is describing your daughter as a whore .... whenever a man is looking to marry her he will back off because of the reputation she gained even if he knows that she is not a whore.
Independent women suffer A LOT in a culture like ours.
She would be called a whore if she:
- doesnt dress modestly.
- smokes or drinks.
- stays out later than 10 pm.
- rides in a car with a guy in it.
- Laughs with a high voice.
- Goes to the movies with a guy.
- Married and got divorced quickly.
guys on the other hand can do whatever they want. Its a man's world and this isnt the case for muslims only btw.
Your daughter goes out wearing a skirt.. not only she will be heavily harassed but people will start talking (not to mention the possibility of getting raped).
In a couple of days the whole area is describing your daughter as a whore .... whenever a man is looking to marry her he will back off because of the reputation she gained even if he knows that she is not a whore.
Independent women suffer A LOT in a culture like ours.
She would be called a whore if she:
- doesnt dress modestly.
- smokes or drinks.
- stays out later than 10 pm.
- rides in a car with a guy in it.
- Laughs with a high voice.
- Goes to the movies with a guy.
- Married and got divorced quickly.
guys on the other hand can do whatever they want. Its a man's world and this isnt the case for muslims only btw.
What if scripture tells me to hate homosexuals? not to eat certain foods for no reason? to be kind to muslims and vengeful to non-muslims? to beat my children if they dont pray? to own slaves and concubines?
I am not going to debate if it says so or not because thats a door that is best left closed. but for the sake of argumentation assume i am right what should you do if the scripture orders that stuff?
I am not going to debate if it says so or not because thats a door that is best left closed. but for the sake of argumentation assume i am right what should you do if the scripture orders that stuff?
i live in various surrounding : muslims, catholics and christians. i wear hijab because my religion told me to. i don't feel obliged or forced to wear it. it's not a close mindedness or excessive faith as well. all religion has its rules. in religion there's somethin to do, follow, forbid and avoid. if you don't have any religion please don't say bad things about it.
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