Bundesliga 2016/2017 (11 Viewers)

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Juvellino

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Mar 19, 2015
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What? It's just a cash mashine.

It's absolutely unfair towards the 2nd division team. If you are a 1st division team and on a relegation spot after the last game, you deserve to go down. An entire season of being shit can be saved by winning two games. Utter bullshit.
Idk I think it sounds fun on paper.

16 playoff
17 relegated
18 relegated

1 promoted
2 prompted
3 playoff

Does the 1st division team always win?
 

DAiDEViL

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Feb 21, 2015
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Idk I think it sounds fun on paper.

16 playoff
17 relegated
18 relegated

1 promoted
2 prompted
3 playoff

Does the 1st division team always win?
But it's unfair isn't it?

Let's say you support a 2nd division team. You are 3rd for the entire season, yet you still have to play the relegation to go up for a 1st division team that has been shit all season. Sounds fun, does it? :baus:
 

Juvellino

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Mar 19, 2015
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But it's unfair isn't it?

Let's say you support a 2nd division team. You are 3rd for the entire season, yet you still have to play the relegation to go up for a 1st division team that has been shit all season. Sounds fun, does it? :baus:
I like it more than the 6 team playoff in Serie B. Frosinone 9 up on 4th placed team and level with 2nd place team but has to go through a 6 team playoff. And I think 3rd to last is a little different in Bundesliga because they have 18 teams so 3rd to last is bad but not that shitty.
 

Juliano13

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May 6, 2012
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The concept itself is unfair.

Only results against teams in your own league should count when it comes to relegation or promotion
Why? Because it's like that in most other leagues? It actually makes a lot of sense, because when it comes to promotion/relegation, a team from the lower division replaces a team from the higher division, presumably because it's better. The only thing I dislike is that they relegate 2.5 teams instead of 3.5, like it used to be in Italy.

What is clearly unfair is play-offs between teams in the same division like in Serie B.
 

Juliano13

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May 6, 2012
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Why? Because it's like that in most other leagues? It actually makes a lot of sense, because when it comes to promotion/relegation, a team from the lower division replaces a team from the higher division, presumably because it's better. The only thing I dislike is that they relegate 2.5 teams instead of 3.5, like it used to be in Italy.

What is clearly unfair is play-offs between teams in the same division like in Serie B.
Just checked Serie A only had the relegation play-off once in 2004.
 

lgorTudor

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Jan 15, 2015
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Why? Because it's like that in most other leagues? It actually makes a lot of sense, because when it comes to promotion/relegation, a team from the lower division replaces a team from the higher division, presumably because it's better. The only thing I dislike is that they relegate 2.5 teams instead of 3.5, like it used to be in Italy.

What is clearly unfair is play-offs between teams in the same division like in Serie B.
Nobody says the second division teams in question have to be better than the relegated first division teams. They have to be better than the rest of second division
Just checked Serie A only had the relegation play-off once in 2004.
Bundesliga got them just recently as well
 

Juliano13

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May 6, 2012
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Nobody says the second division teams in question have to be better than the relegated first division teams. They have to be better than the rest of second division

Bundesliga got them just recently as well
I think you say it's unfair because you assume at least 3 teams should be promoted, but who says it should be so? What it if they had no play off but only 2 teams got promoted? Is that fairer, clearly not. What if 3 got promoted and the 4th played play off? Then even the 4th placed team has a shot. The problem is not the playoff, but the right number of teams to promoted/relegate.
 
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