Blaise Matuidi - DM - PSG (12 Viewers)

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Cronios

Juventolog
Jun 7, 2004
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You do know we got bullied in the middle of the park in both of them finals. Probably more so against Lazio than RM.
Yes we were, but even when we got the ball, we could do nothing with it.
With a strong DM, we will again suffer from not knowing what to do with the ball once we get it.
Khedira and Marchisio and Asamoah can when they are on form and spiritually prepared, play harder and dominate, as a DM but they are not able to offer that killer pass, like a real CAM. That's why I want us to have tactical options.
Their qualities are closer to DM, than CAM, Pjanic and Bentancour too. On optimal form they can be decent as DM, but all suck as CAMs...
That's why Pogba felt magic and got number 10, this how he made the difference and offered what we lacked the most. This is imo what we lack the most from Vidal too, his ability to pass forward, more than win the ball back.
When we are bullied, the team can all man up to compensate, but to press forward, one must have the skills to do it!
 

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PhRoZeN

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Mar 29, 2006
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Yes we were, but even when we got the ball, we could do nothing with it.
With a strong DM, we will again suffer from not knowing what to do with the ball once we get it.
Khedira and Marchisio and Asamoah can when they are on form and spiritually prepared, play harder and dominate, as a DM but they are not able to offer that killer pass, like a real CAM. That's why I want us to have tactical options.
Their qualities are closer to DM, than CAM, Pjanic and Bentancour too. On optimal form they can be decent as DM, but all suck as CAMs...
Players like Pjanic and Marchisio know how to hold and distribute the ball, we brought in the wingers. Wingers like Costa who tends to cut into the middle. The whole CAM obsesssion you need to let it go, weve already invested in a winger system.
 

Dujj

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Jun 4, 2017
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Seems instinctive. Like the rich president, i want him, i want him. do it

Juve want him? Do it

Definetly a do it person.
Lol yes.

Many fans (for example the admin of one of the biggest PSG supporter club: culture psg) wanted this anyways:

Sell Motta
Keep Matuidi

Antero Henrique also wanted to get rid of Motta, but PSG's president Nasser was the one that forced the club to keep him in the end.

Nasser is definitely a problem in my opinion. What Nasser does think: "I have a good relationship off the field with Motta and his family?, then let's keep him".

He still didn't understand you don't manage a club like that.
 

Stephan

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Nov 9, 2005
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Just look at the two finals we lost and see how pathetic we are when we are trying to construct anything from the center of our midfield.
Zero end material and all we can do is pass the ball back and try from the wings.
Try to number how many times we managed to get a chance from the mid line, in comparison to the sides.
Look how pathetic our efforts are, every time we try the mid line.
See how the opponents react to our weakness and quickly hold our flanks too, completely shouting us down.
I want us to have tactical options! Higuain must get more than one pass every 30mins.
I want us to able to threaten the opposition from all lines, so they will be forced to scatter and create spaces, we could exploit.
I don't want us to look so pathetic every time we face strong opposition.
I believe a CAM would Make a world of a difference there!

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We were dramatically worse after the HT fight, but we were not as good as we could even before that.
And in Lazio, there was no Dalves and skinny legs and we still suffered from the same tactical issues.
Can you read? I said we lost to Lazio for better Keita negotiations.

One supercup for one Keita.
 

Cronios

Juventolog
Jun 7, 2004
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I won't quote that many people, but Matuidi is good at passing.

That's controlling the ball he has problems with.

But if Juve wants him, that's because when he faces teams like Real, he doesn't chicken, and can stop attacks from minute 1 to 90.

As it is said above, Juve lost against RM because the midfield was bullied + an inability to keep defending, and pressing in second half. Juve won't have this problem with Matuidi.

When you look at a team like Juve, you know you won't have the ball as much as clubs like RM or Barcelona when you face those. The point is defending + counter attacking.

Matuidi is excellent at stealing balls, can run fast, can defend 90 minutes.

I know it's useless because people will continue to badmouth him till he proves his worth here, but while he has bad qualities, he has also very good ones that Juve desesperately needs in big games.

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You're right. They wanted Motta to leave, and so far they were right. Motta is like a dead weight when on the field.

But not the first time PSG does stupid things right?
Juve lost the finals because we were clueless upfront and could not threaten them, that resulted in frustration and an increased number of chances from them.
If you rewatch the first halves of both matches, you will see that at start we were in control, but could not provide our forwards with scoring chances.
We could only threaten them from the flanks, but after a few sprints from our wingers and a double marking on them, we were choked to death.
Pushing them in the midfield should force them to push back, defending without pushing back would only delay the inevitable...
We don't have the tools to push them back in the mid line!

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Can you read? I said we lost to Lazio for better Keita negotiations.

One supercup for one Keita.
Then I hope you are right...
 

PhRoZeN

Livin with Mediocre
Mar 29, 2006
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Lol yes.

Many fans (for example the admin of one of the biggest PSG supporter club: culture psg) wanted this anyways:

Sell Motta
Keep Matuidi

Antero Henrique also wanted to get rid of Motta, but PSG's president Nasser was the one that forced the club to keep him in the end.

Nasser is definitely a problem in my opinion. What Nasser does think: "I have a good relationship off the field with Motta and his family?, then let's keep him".

He still didn't understand you don't manage a club like that.
I guess thats the problem with all these power rich clubs. At Chelsea its no different, abrahamovic if he wants it one way, its happening no matter what.

I do like Antero Henrique, i think he will do a good job, it was a great capture from PSG.
 

Tak!

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Jun 23, 2011
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Welcome!

Needed signing and makes sense. I was not sure a few weeks ago due to his age and cost. But it is a short-term solution and provides less pressure on Bentancur (spelling?), who I still hope will be given a start every now and then. Similar to Pogba's first season. It also gives time for our other prospects to develop elsewhere and come back in two years when Matuidi is likely stepping back to Ligue 1. We need a DM who can win and recycle the ball, protect Pjanic if he plays, and so forth. I also like having him as a B2B. If we move to three-man midfield I can easily see Marchisio playing in a deeper role with Matuidi and Pjanic in front. Actually, that sounds quite good!
 

Cronios

Juventolog
Jun 7, 2004
27,519
Players like Pjanic and Marchisio know how to hold and distribute the ball, we brought in the wingers. Wingers like Costa who tends to cut into the middle. The whole CAM obsesssion you need to let it go, weve already invested in a winger system.
They know how to hold the ball, but not pass it forward, if they could, we wouldn't rely one our wingers 99%of the times.
If they could someone, should have to mark them and not double on our wingers.
They just can't! What Pirlo was here, he did it for them, Vidal and Pogba too, now noone does it and we are crippled in the mid line.
We just have bodies there and all they do is back and side passing.
The wingers will rotate and eventually replace our current options, Manzdu and Cuadrado, time will tell if they are individually better or not. But we are not tactically onwed because Manzdu, Sandro, Pjaca, Cuadrado and Dalves we're not good enough on the flanks. They could pass their man, but they couldn't pass 2 or 3.
The midline passed noone, they presented zero threat for nearly 90mins, minus the passes Dybala made when he played deeper than Pjanic, who is supposedly playing deeper than all.
Higuain was nearly zero served by the CMs, Dybala only got the balls when playing besides them, or behind them. He is lost in that position.
This is not working!
The winger system will benefit the most by a CAM, because the opposition will have to dedicate players on the center, between the CAM, Dybala And Higuain and they will have only one player marking each of our wingers, resulting in a chance, every time one of our wingers passes their man.
A dedicated DM and a strong CAM that can also defend like Vidal and Pogba is the way to go, they would provide either flank, or Dybala in the middle, leaving all options open, making us unpredictable and able to exploit their weakness on any area!
 

PhRoZeN

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Mar 29, 2006
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They know how to hold the ball, but not pass it forward, if they could, we wouldn't rely one our wingers 99%of the times.
If they could someone, should have to mark them and not double on our wingers.
They just can't! What Pirlo was here, he did it for them, Vidal and Pogba too, now noone does it and we are crippled in the mid line.
We just have bodies there and all they do is back and side passing.
The wingers will rotate and eventually replace our current options, Manzdu and Cuadrado, time will tell if they are individually better or not. But we are not tactically onwed because Manzdu, Sandro, Pjaca, Cuadrado and Dalves we're not good enough on the flanks. They could pass their man, but they couldn't pass 2 or 3.
The midline passed noone, they presented zero threat for nearly 90mins, minus the passes Dybala made when he played deeper than Pjanic, who is supposedly playing deeper than all.
Higuain was nearly zero served by the CMs, Dybala only got the balls when playing besides them, or behind them. He is lost in that position.
This is not working!
The winger system will benefit the most by a CAM, because the opposition will have to dedicate players on the center, between the CAM, Dybala And Higuain and they will have only one player marking each of our wingers, resulting in a chance, every time one of our wingers passes their man.
A dedicated DM and a strong CAM that can also defend like Vidal and Pogba is the way to go, they would provide either flank, or Dybala in the middle, leaving all options open, making us unpredictable and able to exploit their weakness on any area!
I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one. I dont believe CAM is the solution but rather a solid hard working midfielder like Vidal, while you believe a CAM is needed like someone.
 
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