Beslan hostage taking (1 Viewer)
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I think thats unfair. Its 2 sided. Some protestants had to move out of their homes lately for living in a 'catholic' area. An area they had lived all their lives. Why did they have to move out? because their houses were petrol bombed.
Holy cross is the school right? Yeah i agree that was wrong, kids shouldnt be put through that. But like everything else it isnt a one sided thing. They did that protest because youths had been throwing stones etc at their houses and causing damage and vandalism. Also you have you have to wonder what kind of parent would take their kids through that for a matter of principle, when there was another safe route.
But lets not go into NI things, especially not in this thread.
Holy cross is the school right? Yeah i agree that was wrong, kids shouldnt be put through that. But like everything else it isnt a one sided thing. They did that protest because youths had been throwing stones etc at their houses and causing damage and vandalism. Also you have you have to wonder what kind of parent would take their kids through that for a matter of principle, when there was another safe route.
But lets not go into NI things, especially not in this thread.
And yes that incident did just happen and yes there are terrorists free from jail, but both Republican and Loyalist. ok the peace is not great bit its peace.
I find the English are very ignorant to all the problems in the world, the same goes to the US. remember you's have ocupied most of these terrorist's lands. what would u do if England was ocupied by the germans or thr US by the French(the US's new enemy coz they didnt back the war on terror) Im sure you would fight like a true Englishman,for Queen and counrtry or for the American way and what true Paitroits you'd be too.
I find the English are very ignorant to all the problems in the world, the same goes to the US. remember you's have ocupied most of these terrorist's lands. what would u do if England was ocupied by the germans or thr US by the French(the US's new enemy coz they didnt back the war on terror) Im sure you would fight like a true Englishman,for Queen and counrtry or for the American way and what true Paitroits you'd be too.
Sorry for bringing this shit up.but remember Loyalist mobs started the troubles by ethnic cleansing.I wouldnt consider myself a Republican but i think N.Ireland is a classic case of British divide and rule.and the reason parents did not take their children through a different route is poor stubberness they didnt want to give in to the old enemy(how stupid that is.)both sides of the religous divide need to give in to the old cliche.so we can all live in an ireland which is equal 2 all religons regardless ofrace.
I'm surprised the siege ended this way, especially after the criticism Putin received after what happened in the Moscow theatre hostage crisis. IMO if they weren't going to try and negotiate for the hostages, Putin should've just taken action and stormed the building, instead of sitting around and having the Russian Special Forces get surprised and force into action.
At least if they went gung-ho and took decisive action, Putin could have said "I had to be tough; we don't negotiate with terrorists"... but now, what he has on his hands is a situation that was clearly out of his control.
Sure, granted the magnitude of the situation, it's extremely difficult to conduct a hostage rescue operation, but for a country/city that's had experience with this sort of event before, you'd surely expect them to be better equipped and prepared for such a crisis. Remember after the Israeli team murders at 1972 Munich Olympics, the GSG-9 was created, since it was clear that the Munich police weren't equipped to handle such delicate situations... from the footage I saw of the Beslan hostage crisis, the Russian army were nowhere near organised enough.
Initially, figures were released saying that there were about 300 people in the school altogether, and only 17 terrorists, but it soon became apparent that there were many, many more numbers on both sides. What I'm not sure about is whether the figures were blatantly incorrect, or whether they authorities actually didn't know how many hostages were in the building. I presume the former though.
Putin should be grateful that they didn't have chemical weapons this time
At least if they went gung-ho and took decisive action, Putin could have said "I had to be tough; we don't negotiate with terrorists"... but now, what he has on his hands is a situation that was clearly out of his control.
Sure, granted the magnitude of the situation, it's extremely difficult to conduct a hostage rescue operation, but for a country/city that's had experience with this sort of event before, you'd surely expect them to be better equipped and prepared for such a crisis. Remember after the Israeli team murders at 1972 Munich Olympics, the GSG-9 was created, since it was clear that the Munich police weren't equipped to handle such delicate situations... from the footage I saw of the Beslan hostage crisis, the Russian army were nowhere near organised enough.
Initially, figures were released saying that there were about 300 people in the school altogether, and only 17 terrorists, but it soon became apparent that there were many, many more numbers on both sides. What I'm not sure about is whether the figures were blatantly incorrect, or whether they authorities actually didn't know how many hostages were in the building. I presume the former though.
Putin should be grateful that they didn't have chemical weapons this time
i'm not saying that they should have went right in; what I'm saying is, since it ended in the Russians storming the building anyway, without the Chechens blowing up the building, they should have planned the final moment of action better, instead of being as surprised as the terrorists were when the shots started being fired...
Yeah, they suck at this.
BTW, isnt it possible to shoot terrorists through walls? I've always thought it could be done. You get a high calibre, very powerful weapon, maybe even an anti aircraft gun, and use thermal glasses for aiming. They can detect body temperature through walls, and surely you could see who the hostage takers were based on their actions.
BTW, isnt it possible to shoot terrorists through walls? I've always thought it could be done. You get a high calibre, very powerful weapon, maybe even an anti aircraft gun, and use thermal glasses for aiming. They can detect body temperature through walls, and surely you could see who the hostage takers were based on their actions.
I think you've been playing too much Rainbow Six 
I'm aware of the existence of such capabilities, but in such a presumably crowded situation as it was, you have several problems, including:
1) if the terrorists are getting shot through the walls one by one, I think they'll start executing hostages before you have a chance of figuring out exactly who's a terrorist and who's not and shooting them all through the walls
2) bullets don't fly in a perfectly straight path when travelling through walls, so you'd have to wait until there's sufficient space allowed so you don't accidentally shoot a hostage
sounds far-fetched, but in this kind of situation, they really shouldn't take any risks... not that what they actually did was brilliant anyway, so maybe they should've just donned the thermo-gogs and started blasting through the plaster :groan:
I'm aware of the existence of such capabilities, but in such a presumably crowded situation as it was, you have several problems, including:
1) if the terrorists are getting shot through the walls one by one, I think they'll start executing hostages before you have a chance of figuring out exactly who's a terrorist and who's not and shooting them all through the walls
2) bullets don't fly in a perfectly straight path when travelling through walls, so you'd have to wait until there's sufficient space allowed so you don't accidentally shoot a hostage
sounds far-fetched, but in this kind of situation, they really shouldn't take any risks... not that what they actually did was brilliant anyway, so maybe they should've just donned the thermo-gogs and started blasting through the plaster :groan:
