Barca and Juve top stats charts (9 Viewers)

[joe5]

Friday 4 January, 2008

Barcelona and Juventus are the two best clubs of all time with Milan in fifth place, according to the Iffhs.

The International Federation of Football History and Statistics based in Bonn calculates its own points system each year to analyse the ‘best’ teams on the planet, but only begins counting from 1991.

Despite recently stuttering in la Liga and Europe, Barcelona have the top spot with 670 points followed by Juventus on 584.

Calciopoli has not halted the Bianconeri’s impressive record, as they are ahead of Manchester United’s 579 points.

In December Milan became the most successful club side of all time with 18 international trophies thanks to the Club World Cup.

However, they only finish fifth in the Iffhs standings on 547 points, behind Real Madrid’s 570. Inter are in seventh position with 488 points.

Other Italian outfits included are Parma in 12th, Lazio in 15th and Roma in 18th position.

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[joe5]

Here is the list of Iffhs. (http://www.iffhs.de/)

1. FC Barcelona, España 270
2. Juventus FC Torino, Italia 235
3. Milan AC, Italia 224
4. Manchester United FC, England 218
5. Real Madrid CF, España 218
6. FC Bayern München, Deutschland 197
7. FC Internazionale Milano, Italia 186
8. Arsenal FC London, England 180
9. CA River Plate Buenos Aires, Argentina 155
10. AFC Ajax Amsterdam, Nederland 126
11. Parma AC, Italia 123
12. FC do Porto, Portugal 122
13. CA Boca Juniors Buenos Aires, Argentina 117
14. São Paulo FC, Brasil 115
15. Chelsea FC London, England 111
16. Liverpool FC, England 107
17. Valencia CF, España 99
18. SS Lazio Roma, Italia 98
19. Paris Saint-Germain FC, France 96
20. Club Atlético de Madrid, España 83
21. Glasgow Rangers FC, Scotland 82
22. AS Roma, Italia 77
23. Real Club Deportivo de La Coruña, España 75
24. Spartak Moscow, Russia 69
25. AS de Monaco, France 67
26. BV Borussia Dortmund, Deutschland 66
27. CSD Colo Colo Santiago, Chile 66
28. SE Palmeiras São Paulo, Brasil 66
29. Galatasaray SK Ä°stanbul, Türkiye 54
30. Grêmio de Foot-Ball Porto-Alegrense, Brasil 53
31. Glasgow Celtic FC, Scotland 52
32. Olympique Lyonnais, France 52
33. Torino Calcio, Italia 51
34. Club Brugge KV, Belgique 49
35. AJ Auxerroise, France 48
36. SV Werder Bremen, Deutschland 47
37. Sport Lisboa e Benfica, Portugal 46
38. CD América Cali, Colombia 43
39. Santos FC, Brasil 42
40. Olympique de Marseille, France 39
41. Cruzeiro EC Belo Horizonte, Brasil 38
42. TSV Bayer Leverkusen, Deutschland 38
43. RSC Anderlecht, Belgique 37
44. CA Vélez Sarsfield, Argentina 36
45. CR Vasco da Gama Rio de Janeiro, Brasil 34
46. FC Olímpia Asunción, Paraguay 33
47. Newcastle United FC, England 30
48. Real Zaragoza CD, España 30
49. FC Schalke 04, Deutschland 29
50. FC de Nantes, France 28
51. Sevilla FC, España 25
52. Feyenoord Rotterdam Nederland 24
53. FK Crvena zvezda Beograd Serbia 24
54. Villarreal CF España 24
55. AC Sparta Praha ÄŒeská Republika 23
56. Leeds United AFC England 22
57. PSV Eindhoven Nederland 22
58. Real Club Deportivo Mallorca España 22
59. Sampdoria UC Genova Italia 22
60. CR Flamengo Rio de Janeiro Brasil 21
61. CSKA Moscow Russia 21
62. CDC Atlético Nacional Medellín Colombia 20
63. Dinamo Kiev Ukraina 18
64. Real Betis Balompié España 18
65. SC Internacional Porto Alegre Brasil 17
66. CA Peñarol Montevideo Uruguay 16
67. FC Rapid BucureÅŸti România 16
68. Tottenham Hotspur FC England 16
69. FC Girondins de Bordeaux France 15
70. VfL Borussia Mönchengladbach Deutschland 15
71. Bologna Calcio Italia 14
72. CA San Lorenzo de Almagro Buenos Aires Argentina 14
73. Lille Olympique Sporting Club France 14
74. SC Corinthians Paulista São Paulo Brasil 14
75. CD Universidad Católica Santiago Chile 13
76. Newell's Old Boys Rosario Argentina 13
77. AZ Alkmaar Nederland 12
78. CF América Ciudad de México México 12
79. Genoa 1893 Italia 12
80. Real Club Celta de Vigo España 12
81. AC Firenze Italia 11
82. Everton FC England 11
83. AEK Athens Greece 10
84. Club Nacional de Football Montevideo Uruguay 10
85. RCD Espanyol Barcelona España 10
86. Racing Club de Strasbourg France 9
87. Lokomotiv Moscow Russia 7
88. Shakhtyor Donetsk Ukraina 7
89. SK SIGMA Olomouc ÄŒeská Republika 7
90. Steaua BucureÅŸti România 7
91. US Citta di Palermo Italia 7
92. SK Slavia Praha ÄŒeská Republika 6
93. Club Atlético Morelia México 5
94. Racing Club Genk Belgique 5
95. CA Mineiro Belo Horizonte Brasil 4
96. Cerro Porteño FBC Asunción Paraguay 4
97. Fluminense FC Rio de Janeiro Brasil 4
98. Karlsruher SC Deutschland 4
99. FC Basel Schweiz 3
100. BeÅŸiktaÅŸ SK Ä°stanbul Türkiye 2
101. CA Banfield Argentina 2
102. CA Independiente Avellaneda Argentina 2
103. CA Lanús Argentina 2
104. CD Once Caldas Manizales Colombia 2
105. Club Deportivo Guadalajara México 2
106. VfB Stuttgart Deutschland 2
107. AD São Caetano Brasil 1
108. Boavista FC Porto Portugal 1
109. Club Libertad Asunción Paraguay 1

 

[Red]

How can it be the best sides 'of all time' if they only start counting from 1991?

 

[joe5]

It's because the Iffhs collects the stats since 1991. It takes into account all the results in national leagues, wins and continental competitions since 1st of January, 1991.

 

[HelterSkelter]

Thats what i thought too.And even if only the post-1991 stats are covered,Manchester United,despite my hatred for them,should be in the top 2.

 

[Salvatore]

We have more trophies. We are better.

 

[Red]

It's because the Iffhs collects the stats since 1991.

So then it should be 'the best side since 1991', not the best side ever.

I'm not having a go at you, it is just a poorly worded article.

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

Thats what i thought too.And even if only the post-1991 stats are covered,Manchester United,despite my hatred for them,should be in the top 2.

instead of barcelona right?

 

[Zé Tahir]

Salman would put Inter first.

 

[Seven]

This is boring bullshit.

 

[X Æ A-12]

Parma are the 11th most succesful club in the world since 91? i think that says it all.

 

[Fred]

Come on people..ever since 1991..Man Utd have won 9 premier league titles, 5 fa cups and a CL trophy...Salman is right..they do deserve to be in the top 2.

 

[DelpieroForLife]

Since 1991 Inter own a Scudetto of honesty, Scudetto of everybodyelsedeductedpoints, two or three coppa italia and one UEFA cup.

There is no way thay deserve to be ranked in 7th place.

 

[HelterSkelter]

Salman would put Inter first.

If the poll took place on Monday,yes.Tuesday id put Milan first.

 

[Zé Tahir]

If the poll took place on Monday,yes.Tuesday id put Milan first.

Makes sense.

 

[Maher]

great news for me that Barcelona and Juventus are the two best clubs of all time

 

[Ahmed]

why the fuck is Barca sooo far ahead of us?

 

[Fred]

Beats me...i dont think they deserve to be in the top 2..Since 1991..Man Utd, Juve, Real Madrid and Milan have been more succesful

 

[HelterSkelter]

Since 1991

Barcelona :
La Liga 8
Copa Del Rey 1
Champions League 2
Spanish Supercup 6
Cup Winners Cup 1
European Supercup 2
Total 20

Juventus
Serie A 7(If you add the titles that were taken away)
Champions League 1
Italian Cup 1
Italian Supercup 4
Cup Winners Cup 0
UEFA Cup 1
UEFA Supercup 1
Inter-Toto Cup 1
Total 16

Manchester United
EPL 9
Champions League 1
FA cup 4
Cup Winners Cup 1
Community Shield 6
Uefa Supercup 2
Total 23

AC Milan
Serie A 6
Champions League 3
Italian Cup 1
Italian Supercup 4
Cup Winners Cup 0
UEFA SuperCup 3
Total 17

 

[joe5]

As i said before Iffhs takes into account all the results in national leagues, wins and continental competitions since 1st of January 1991 and not the trophies that every club have win in every competition.