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I bet he would have argued lemina and Rincon were better than isco before their departures this summer
I bet he would have argued lemina and Rincon were better than isco before their departures this summer
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what does that have to do with this game ? it is blatantly obvious that you try to drag others down in a feeble attempt to make them look as big of a fool as you are seen by most here.That would be something you should talk to your psychiatrist about and not stain this thread with, thanks.
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For this time I totally agree with you.The problem was that we had the wrong system and most players in bad scape.
I saw higher up a bunch of related to Candreva, Spinazolla and some others, but what about Verratti and Insigne. When a team does not work it is not the fault of 1-2 players but the whole team.
We were terrible and Spain was good and became great because we were a disaster. Ventura has a huge responsibility in this disaster.
Isco is a very good player but nothing more. Typical for certain people a player plays good in 1 game he is a champion. Another plays bad in 1 game he is shit. For me that is
I saw higher up a bunch of
related to Candreva, Spinazolla and some others, but what about Verratti and Insigne. When a team does not work it is not the fault of 1-2 players but the whole team.We were terrible and Spain was good and became great because we were a disaster. Ventura has a huge responsibility in this disaster.
Isco is a very good player but nothing more. Typical for certain people a player plays good in 1 game he is a champion. Another plays bad in 1 game he is shit. For me that is
Italia will always be it appears the team that has to play close to vest and hope for 1-0 wins. Sorry if I see it wrong but not enough players who can put the ball in the net. For me not enough speed and pace in our guys. All that technique only gets you so far and with us all 11 must perform cohesively to get that win.
Again maybe off base but I see world soccer going trending slightly to an offensive style of play. When I see Italia's lineup these days against the world top countries I feel like we're Serbia, Austria, etc. etc. hoping for that one goal in beating us.
Again maybe off base but I see world soccer going trending slightly to an offensive style of play. When I see Italia's lineup these days against the world top countries I feel like we're Serbia, Austria, etc. etc. hoping for that one goal in beating us.
You couldnt be more wrong, if anything the dude needs to chill with his possessive zeal and aggression defensively, this is basically him hounding the ball holder in most games:
I'm talking about his awful defensive contribution last night. Where he was on the receiving end of about 30 youtube montage moments. Obviously he's not usually THAT bad but his defensive work is overrated. Foul merchant that often gets pulled up for his illegal harassing technique.
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And pls don't throw youtube compilations @ me. 3 minutes of good defensive work after hundreds of games. Lol. Of course he can do some sort of defensive job. He's a midfielder.
He was AWFUL last night, that goes without saying. Thats without even considering the awful conditions put to him, but on individual level he was bad, no arguments.
But no, for the type of player he is, there is not many who have the obbsessive drive to tackle and hound back for possession. The of player I mean is creative playmakers AM/CM types who usually are too soft to who have this terrier like attitude he has. Personality thing I guess (and his hot temperament is defenitely a negative for him), but also defenitely something he worked on in PSG, he is extremelly committed to pressuring and getting back possession (in team unit, midfield trio or team pressurring, not left out to sea with dead old legs DDR vs 6 masterful central mifielders...).
Yeah he isnt someone that stands on his own in this fasion or even suitful for pivot, but as all around CM playmaker he defenitely defends more and better then most in his role. Atleast in this aggressive style (and there is a chance he might feel the need to commit even more in this way due to not playing with Matuidi anymore, dumbasses playing Pastore in that role now too). You wont be finding Modric, Pjanic, Kroos, Isco, Özil, Iniesta, Silva etc be able to do this to Messi (yeah its a clip, but its from a single game, and highlights his defensive game clearly):
Its part of his reportoire and defenitely one that you cant deny.
And no its good look for him, but its not a coincidence Verratti looks like he is complete world class player routinely for PSG, where he mastered his niche, while he is yet to have 2 good games in a row for Italy. Besides the constant injuries in national team duty, its also defenitely he is simply still finding his way and role (he is not really the kind of character that likes being the star of the team), trying to function in a way thats not allways suited to him, both him and Insigne defenitely need to be utilized better since they should be the difference makers.
But no, for the type of player he is, there is not many who have the obbsessive drive to tackle and hound back for possession. The of player I mean is creative playmakers AM/CM types who usually are too soft to who have this terrier like attitude he has. Personality thing I guess (and his hot temperament is defenitely a negative for him), but also defenitely something he worked on in PSG, he is extremelly committed to pressuring and getting back possession (in team unit, midfield trio or team pressurring, not left out to sea with dead old legs DDR vs 6 masterful central mifielders...).
Yeah he isnt someone that stands on his own in this fasion or even suitful for pivot, but as all around CM playmaker he defenitely defends more and better then most in his role. Atleast in this aggressive style (and there is a chance he might feel the need to commit even more in this way due to not playing with Matuidi anymore, dumbasses playing Pastore in that role now too). You wont be finding Modric, Pjanic, Kroos, Isco, Özil, Iniesta, Silva etc be able to do this to Messi (yeah its a clip, but its from a single game, and highlights his defensive game clearly):
Its part of his reportoire and defenitely one that you cant deny.
And no its good look for him, but its not a coincidence Verratti looks like he is complete world class player routinely for PSG, where he mastered his niche, while he is yet to have 2 good games in a row for Italy. Besides the constant injuries in national team duty, its also defenitely he is simply still finding his way and role (he is not really the kind of character that likes being the star of the team), trying to function in a way thats not allways suited to him, both him and Insigne defenitely need to be utilized better since they should be the difference makers.
He is defenitely can be wreckless, but its as much about his hotheaded nature then not being a good tackler. In calmer games seen him make some ridicolous slick tackles that you would expect only from defenders. But also likes to slide tackle too much which is main reason for the yellows besides the aggression.
I won't knock his work rate and willingness to get the ball back. That's correct. But even the players you listed have a much, much better output than he does. Iniests in his 20's was on a whole other level, i'd say Modric and Kroos are all round much better than Verratti. Pjanic is on a similar level but produces more in the final 3rd than Verratti. Isco and Silva produce much more than Verratti but play in more advanced roles so it's to be expected. Ozil too but I don't rate Ozil as he's a luxury player. And that's what I suspect Verratti is to some degree as he looks lost in games where the team aren't performing. Even his passing seems to go out of the window. He looks flustered.