Athletes and their beliefs (5 Viewers)

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
38,288
I just find it alarming that in the 21st century there should still be people who call themselves humans and harbor such prejudices. Ignorance is bliss indeed. The Owl and Mr. 7-11 should probably go get an education about the true meaning of Islam before posting nonsense, and showering us with their ignorance. You can hate, but at least be knowledgeable and informed in your hatred.

FYI, I am a very liberal Muslim (hence why I choose not to live in my country of origin). In fact, many non Muslims are probably better Muslims than I am.
It is far more alarming that we have muslims in the 21st century. Where does this come from? We have people who believe in stoning, people who claim that Islam is the only truth and that we should accept this OBJECTIVE truth. All this in an era where we send people to the moon, cure a lot of diseases, build computers, drive cars and fly planes. Islam had NOTHING to do with those achievements by the way. In fact, most of those achievements were made by people who didn't believe in anything at all. Most of the comfort you have in your life comes from atheists. Doesn't that surprise you? Why is that Allah rewards atheists? And why did Allah give you the gift of ratio if you're so keen on not using it? If Allah exists, he wants you to THINK.
 

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gray

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Apr 22, 2003
30,260
Some interesting reading:

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/feb/02/health/he-fasting2

Something about the way Americans eat isn't working -- and hasn't been for a long time.
The number of obese Americans is now greater than the number who are merely overweight, according to government figures released last month. It's as if once we taste food, we can't stop until we've gorged ourselves.
Taking that inclination into account, some people are adopting an unusual solution to overeating. Rather than battling temptation in grocery stores, restaurants and their own kitchens, they simply don't eat. At least not at certain times of the day or specific days of the week.
Called intermittent fasting, this rather stark approach to weight control appears to be supported by science, not to mention various religious and cultural practices around the globe. The practice is a way to become more circumspect about food, its adherents say. But it also seems to yield the benefits of calorie restriction, which may ultimately reduce the risk of some diseases and even extend life. Some fasters, in fact, ultimately switch from regular, if comparatively rare, periods of hunger to permanent deprivation. They limit calories all the time.

"There is something kind of magical about starvation," says Dr. Marc Hellerstein, a professor of endocrinology, metabolism and nutrition at UC Berkeley, who studies fasting.

Adds Mark P. Mattson, chief of the laboratory of neurosciences at the National Institute on Aging: "In normal health subjects, moderate fasting -- maybe one day a week or cutting back on calories a couple of days a week -- will have health benefits for most anybody." Mattson is among the leading researchers on the effects of calorie restriction and the brain.

Not all nutrition professionals see the merits of fasting. Some think of it as a recipe for disaster, setting up a person for binge eating and metabolic confusion.

Ruth Frechman, a registered dietitian in Burbank and spokeswoman for the American Dietetic Assn., says she frequently sees such extreme strategies backfire. "You're hungry, fatigued, irritable. Fasting is not very comfortable. People try to cut back one day and the next day they're starving and they overeat."

Researchers who study fasting and caloric restriction, however, say the body's hunger cycle ultimately adjusts.

And from a biological standpoint, they say, fasting can be helpful whether someone is overweight or normal weight.

"We're brilliant at this," Hellerstein says, referring to humans' physical reaction to not eating. "We're not good at responding to too many calories, but we're very good at responding to fasting. Fasting, in itself, is not an unhealthy process."

Benefits to body

During fasting, almost every system in the body is "turned down," Hellerstein says. The body changes how it uses fuel. Certain hormone levels fall. Growth stops. Reproduction becomes impossible.

"By the end of three weeks of fasting you are a completely different metabolic creature," he says.

"It affects many, many processes -- but in a somewhat predictable way that takes you toward disease prevention."

Put simply, intermittent fasting appears to offer the same advantages as long-term calorie restriction -- defined as eating at regular times but consuming 25% to 30% fewer calories than what is recommended for that person based on age, size and gender (see accompanying article). People who eat this way tend to do so by filling up on nutrient-dense but low-calorie foods. They get all the protein, fiber, vitamins and minerals the body absolutely needs -- and very little else.

With intermittent fasting, "the idea is that maybe you can trick the system to think it's starving, but not make it starve every day," Hellerstein says.

Researchers aren't sure why the body apparently benefits from a state of mini-starvation. One theory is that the process produces just enough stress in cells to be good. "What our evidence suggests is that nerve cells in animals that are on dietary energy restriction are under mild stress," Mattson says. "It's a mild stress that stimulates the production of proteins that protect the neurons against more severe stress."

What they do know is that occasionally going without food or reducing calories daily makes the body more sensitive to insulin, which helps maintain normal blood sugar levels. And animal studies suggest calorie restriction may reduce the risk of cancer by slowing the growth of abnormal cells.

"We've been finding that putting an animal on a reduced-calorie diet for a couple of weeks dramatically slows cell proliferation rates," Hellerstein says. "This is the case in pretty much every tissue you look at: prostate, skin, colon, liver, lymphocytes."

Intermittent fasting and calorie restriction have also been shown in animals to reduce cognitive decline in diseases such as Alzheimer's disease and Parkinson's disease, Mattson says.

Researchers caution that not many studies have examined humans who are practicing intermittent fasting or caloric restriction. But the little evidence that exists is favorable.

A study published last week in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences found that reducing calories 30% per day increased the memory function of elderly men and women. The study was performed at the Salk Institute in La Jolla.

University of Utah scientists looked at health data from members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, who have lower rates of heart disease than most Americans. Mormons typically don't smoke or drink alcohol, and some abstain from food on the first Sunday of every month. After controlling for several factors that protect against heart disease, the researchers found that only fasting made a significant difference in lowering the risk of heart disease. Among 448 people surveyed, intermittent fasting was associated with more than a 40% reduction in heart disease risk. Fasting was also linked to a lower incidence of diabetes. The study was published in October in the American Journal of Cardiology.

Another study showed that asthma patients who fasted had fewer symptoms, better airway function and a decrease in the markers of inflammation in the blood than those who didn't fast or restrict calories. The study was conducted because being overweight is known to worsen asthma symptoms. The study was published in 2007 in the journal Free Radical Biology & Medicine.

"They complied with the diet pretty well," Mattson says. "If people know that tomorrow they can eat whatever they want, today they can eat less."

The National Institutes of Health is now supporting calorie-restriction research at three medical centers. At one study site, Washington University in St. Louis, Dr. Luigi Fontana is following the largest group to date of people who practice caloric restriction or intermittent fasting. So far his research shows that such people are not malnourished and have excellent cardiovascular health.

"Eating less is important because 65% of the American population is overweight," Fontana says. "But another question is: If you are already lean, should you change your diet to improve your health and possibly extend your life span?"

That ultimately may be the strongest selling point of a reduced-calorie lifestyle.

(For first-person accounts, see accompanying article.)

"It does demand more than some other diets," says Joseph Cordell, a St. Louis lawyer who limits his intake to 1,800 to 1,900 calories a day.

"But surely the payoff is dramatically better than anything else. I feel so much better and have more energy. And there is this prospect of living so much longer than you otherwise would."
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
111,703
I'm not a big fan of religion, and I don't really think fasting is anything more than a retarded out-dated idea, but Virtual is basically a terrorist because he makes everyone bash their heads into their desks with the thought of how someone can be so annoying and stupid.

Fucking infidels.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
38,288
So they found that if an obese person eats less, it is good for him.

Wow. Of course fasting is good for the hearth and of course you're not likely to develop diabetes if you fast. But that doesn't really tell you anything. And it sure as hell doesn't say anything about athletes and fasting. Imagine Sissoko eating 1,800 calories a day. He'd die out there.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
38,288
You know, I think these scientists missed some of the other benefits of fasting: you are way more unlikely to have food poisoning too!
 

Ford Prefect

Senior Member
May 28, 2009
10,557
It is far more alarming that we have muslims in the 21st century. Where does this come from? We have people who believe in stoning, people who claim that Islam is the only truth and that we should accept this OBJECTIVE truth. All this in an era where we send people to the moon, cure a lot of diseases, build computers, drive cars and fly planes. Islam had NOTHING to do with those achievements by the way. In fact, most of those achievements were made by people who didn't believe in anything at all. Most of the comfort you have in your life comes from atheists. Doesn't that surprise you? Why is that Allah rewards atheists? And why did Allah give you the gift of ratio if you're so keen on not using it? If Allah exists, he wants you to THINK.

The three greatest human discoveries:

1. Logic
2. Scientific Method
3. Modern Medicine

The worst human INVENTION

Religion.
 

Ford Prefect

Senior Member
May 28, 2009
10,557
Ok we get it..you're an athiest, well good for you boy! :sergio:
Dont be a fag, im an antitheist and a humanist (i actually care about my fellow man, as opposed to being intollerant and seeking to break up and destroy relations between mankind) what would you define religion as? you cant view it as a discovery, unless you want to say that every religion is right.
 

JBF

اختك يا زمن
Aug 5, 2006
18,451
That really didn't add much to the discussion.
The idea is to end discussions on this matter...if there are atheist people in this forum then good for them. And since some people do believe that there is a force that controls the whole universe, they deserve to have some respect to their beliefs.
 

Ford Prefect

Senior Member
May 28, 2009
10,557
The idea is to end discussions on this matter...if there are atheist people in this forum then good for them. And since some people do believe that there is a force that controls the whole universe, they deserve to have some respect to their beliefs.

I tollerate anyone but the intolerant. I cannot respect religious beliefs when religion is tearing apart our world.

If you are religious you are as much to blame for the atrocities commited by those that caused them as they are. You are the Mafiosi wife that sillently watched her husband go and kill people for a living. You might not want it to happen, but you are letting it happen. Id be interested to see how many athiests have killed people in the name of athiesm, as opposed to religions killing people in the name of a 'god'
religions do this










Do you know how hard it was too find images that would border on being suitable to post on here?
 

Ford Prefect

Senior Member
May 28, 2009
10,557
sorry to go off topic but.



:sergio: 9/11 conspiracies are fucking retarded...loose change is firstly one of THE most offensive films ever made and secondly either using purely circumstancial evidence an example would be they claim proof that a picture of the twin towers with a cross hair over it meant the government were planning it (bearing in mind it was a different party running america at the time) or just making stuff up, there is a second by second debunking of the film i will find in a min and lastly alex james is involve with 9/11 truthers, what other reason do you need to stay away from it?

watch this
http://allsp.com/l.php?id=e148
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
111,703
Check with Andy (LetsBrushYourTeeth): that was actually the US Government. :shifty:
It essentially was. No matter what you believe happened that day, one thing is for sure: we funded Al Qaeda and Bin Laden to fight against the Soviets. Admittedly, the CIA funded and aided them. Admittedly, the FBI can't hold Bin Laden as a suspect for 9/11, so they don't list that event under his supposed crimes.

Our actions around the world act as a catalyst for extremism, so no matter what you believe, it was absolutely an inside job. Whether the CIA pulled the trigger or not themselves is another story, but they quite possibly could have.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
111,703
sorry to go off topic but.



:sergio: 9/11 conspiracies are fucking retarded...loose change is firstly one of THE most offensive films ever made and secondly either using purely circumstancial evidence an example would be they claim proof that a picture of the twin towers with a cross hair over it meant the government were planning it (bearing in mind it was a different party running america at the time) or just making stuff up, there is a second by second debunking of the film i will find in a min and lastly alex james is involve with 9/11 truthers, what other reason do you need to stay away from it?

watch this
http://allsp.com/l.php?id=e148
I actually side with the victims' families, and many of them are demanding more investigation and more answers. But the government shuts them down.

Many of their family members are indeed 9/11 truthers... if you want to call them retarded go ahead.
 

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