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[bianconero]

Why have Spain or Italy failed to produce a player of true greatness?

In any discussion of the all time greats of football, the absence is noticeable.

Why?

 

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[JBF]

Baggio, Rossi, Zoff, Gentile and Sceria?

 

[bianconero]

Baggio, Rossi, Zoff, Gentile and Sceria?

Zoff: yes, but goalkeepers are always compared to other goalkeepers: so it is a different list.

Find me a list were the others are in the top 10/20.

 

[JBF]

Baggio.




You can add Baresi to that list too.

 

[bianconero]

Baggio.




You can add Baresi to that list too.

Baggio just below that class.
Defenders find it hard to get in to the discussion. The Kaiser is the exception.

 

[JBF]

Baggio must be in the 10-20 best greats, really. I can't think of that many greats who achieved as much as he did and almost single handily led his country to the wc final along with many other things.

 

[Red]

Why have Italy failed to produce a player of true greatness?

In any discussion of the all time greats of football, the absence is noticeable.

Why?

Defenders find it hard to get in to the discussion.

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Rossi

:wth:

 

[Fred]

I think he means Paulo Rossi

 

[Red]

I know.

 

[Fred]

I thought that you thought that JBF was referring to Andy's favorite player.

 

[Red]

I'm pretty sure that even JBF isn't that daft.

 

[JBF]

I know.

You don't rate Rossi as one of the great qualities Italy produced?

I didn't name him in regards to the all time football greats but rather one hell of a goal scorer who was in fact great for Italy and is with a doubt the reason they conquered the likes of Brazil among other to their way to win the 82 wc.

Brazil's team was something at that wc, probably one of their best ever.

I'm pretty sure that even JBF isn't that daft.

Damn you

 

[Red]

You don't rate Rossi as one of the great qualities Italy produced?

Nope.

I didn't name him in regards to the all time football greats but rather one hell of a goal scorer who was in fact great for Italy and is with a doubt the reason they conquered the likes of Brazil among other to their way to win the 82 wc.

I don't see a guy, who basically is known for performing in three matches can be held in particularly high regard.

He may be a legend of Italian football, but I don't think he can even feature in a list of Italy's best ever players.

Brazil's team was something at that wc, probably one of their best ever.

True.

Many regard it as better than Brazil 1970, which is what quite a few folk consider the greatest ever team.

Still, Scotland might have beaten them had the coach chosen the correct 'keeper instead of that clown Alan Rough.

 

[JBF]

He may be a legend of Italian football, but I don't think he can even feature in a list of Italy's best ever players.

Just post that precious list of yours already

And it better have at least 8 players who has done more to their NT than this guy has

Still, Scotland might have beaten them had the coach chosen the correct 'keeper instead of that clown Alan Rough.

Why do you care? It's not like you support them

 

[Red]

Just post that precious list of yours already

And it better have at least 8 players who has done more to their NT than this guy has

Just Italians or more generally?

Why do you care? It's not like you support them

And that was a prime example of why I have a problem with them.

Aberdeen had an extremely talented 'keeper who was already winning trophies and would go on to win heaps of caps, but Scotland stuck with a bozo who was a proven failure.

 

[JBF]

Italians ofcourse.

 

[Red]

It's rather difficult on the basis that you have back-tracked from throwing his name into a discussion about great Italian players to changing the criteria to players who have done a lot for their national team.

 

[JBF]

I just don't see how can anyone ask for any country's greats while at the same time those who are considered great for their nation have in fact achieved nothing for the later. It just doesn't add up.

It's like considering De Stefano an Argentinian great while he hasn't played a single game for his country. He's a legend damn straight but not for Argentina that is.

 

[bianconero]

Are cultural events that define history like the Renaissance to Enlightenment exclusive to Western history?

 

[The Curr]

I'm guessing we know more about them because they're what we're taught about in the West.