are we a clean and honest club? (20 Viewers)

[ErGo'DeTurone]

well come on then, surprise me.

How exactly am I to surprise you? I am obviously of a differing opinion, but should I still make your case for you? Here it is, pay attention: there was absolutely no reason why Roma should have been demoted. None. All you have is the Fiorentina-connection, but judging on your evasive posts, I gather you haven't a proper grasp of that issue either, which makes your conclusions a waste of everyone's time.
For future reference; if anyone is going to make absurd claims, at least have the common desency to back them up with, if not facts, then some sort of rationale.

i am not dismissing that chance, but so far nothing woth noticing surfaced.

Obviously not, the investigations are one, possibly two, work-day(s) old.

biggest mistake roma ever did was letting go of cassano

Hehehehehe...cute.

 

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[Morra10]

id like everyone's UNBIASED view on this subject.a club who's players were accused of drug usage,a club who's general manager is being accused of influencing referees.
are we really an honest and clean club?

sure,we can live by the 'innocent until proven guilty' theory over here,but really, a club which seems to underachieve in europe,and has yet has dominated the local league historically in a manner matched only by real madrid in spain.is it because we cant 'ask' the refrees to assist us in europe?

i hate to think so,but ive got a feeling that we are not a totally honest and clean club.i hope im wrong.

I think were an honest club on the pitch and off the pitch it might be a different story.....their will be alot of accusing and bashing of juve over the off season but I'm not going to do any of that against my team. When people and reports find out this kind of info. they run with it, making up different accusation's and making moggi look like an idiot. Let's wait and watch a couple weeks and see if anything comes out from the "media" regarding this situation, whatever the outcome it doesn't make Juve look to good.

 

[Gep]

Every club has a dark side that nevers gets mentioned simply cos we dont know. We on the other hand have been caught out. No biggie really. Moggi's just looking out for us. Who else will? He and the triade have done so much for us. Its a dirty world behind the scenes in football unfortunately. Other clubs are the same im sure of that.

 

[ErGo'DeTurone]

Moggi's just looking out for us. Who else will?

According to the tapes? Biscardi, Pairetto, Giraudo, etcetera etcetera.

 

[Eddy]

Hehehehehe...cute.

why thank you but aww did he leave because he cant stand being around your totti for a little while longer the poor guy isnt making it in real madrid and thank god we didnt get him

 

[Gep]

According to the tapes? Biscardi, Pairetto, Giraudo, etcetera etcetera.

And who look out for Ac milan all the time? Media rings any bells?

 

[swag]

Shouldn't romanisti be focusing on winning some silverware this week instead of whining about stuff out of their league? Look, Inter couldn't beat Empoli or Siena -- so don't choke again in the Coppa like last year, OK?

Is the dog sh*t in your neighbor's yard that much more interesting than cleaning up the piles of crap in your own yard?

 

[Enron]

The original question of the want for an unbiased opinion of this situation is not only unattainable but impossible. To ask such a question in the forum of the team in question is not only wanting but a little silly. Had this question been asked in the forum of oh say Liverpool FC or Olympic Lyoness may have given a few unbiased replies. Since the original question of this thread cannot be answered in its intended fashion, I suggest we immediately begina gramar school name calling contest. With no malicious intent of course.

 

[ErGo'DeTurone]

Shouldn't romanisti be focusing on winning some silverware this week instead of whining about stuff out of their league? Look, Inter couldn't beat Empoli or Siena -- so don't choke again in the Coppa like last year, OK?

Is the dog sh*t in your neighbor's yard that much more interesting than cleaning up the piles of crap in your own yard?

What on earth are you talking about?

 

[Matteo..]

Obviously not, the investigations are one, possibly two, work-day(s) old.

Eh no.

 

[ErGo'DeTurone]

Yes.

 

[Cronios]

You said it.. ACUSED.. The funny thing, Juve came innocent in the trial and the media failed to mention it widely. They still say juve and the doping case although its been done and finished in Juve's favvoor.. They call Moggi a cheater and manipulate refs, well I say bullshit. Infact, all phone calls that have been announced are just normal talk between two people. HE IS TEH MANAGER OF THE CLUB. It is his job to talk with such officials.
Now let me tell you something, in any trial how come the media new about the phone calls and their details before Moggi and the rest of them know about the whole trial?? How can the media get hold of Moggi's phone calls if there is no trial in the first place? Who autorised it to be released to the media??
Still, they do not include anything suspicious.
In addition, there was a trial a while back when Milan and Inter were in the questioning about certain things and refs (cannot remember in details) and their phones were tapped by the federation and they were found to contain evidence material. Surpringly the trial did not happen and everything was closed. Now they open fire on Moggi for such a thing he did not commit. It is the endless war against Juve. How come Materazzi never got a ban while he is hitting everyone?? And when Camoranesi just barely touched one he received a 2 match ban.. Or Zlatan's 3 match ban last season that prevented him from playing the San sero match against Milan, why wasn't the ban 2 matches as other players?? Cannavaor's video that came out late in the season,, a video that is 6 years old. How come? How come this Moggi issue flaired up now, during this period when there is a tight race between Juve and Milan and just after Milan got knocked out of the CL and they have no-hope but to with the scudetto. Why now? The so claimed suspicious phone calls are 2 years old? Why coulnd't they wait 2 or 3 weeks till the season ends?
Do you still think Juve are dirty?
Juve are clean. Juve are innocent..
I say jeloousy is a bitch..
FORZA JUVE PER SEMPRE (did I say that right?)

Couldnt summ it up any better!!! (i would only add the little parrot FIGO)

All big clubs are shady but we're hated so much across Italy and by the media (controlled by Berlusconi) that we come out on "top", making the people believe there's only one big bad wolf in the world of Football and that it is us.

It's undeserved and makes me want to vomit

A club as beautiful and great as this one, more crooked than AC Milan, Real Madrid, Manchester United and even now - with it's current owners - Chelsea?

I don't think so

well put...

 

[Cronios]

Why are we always the only team acused?

If we really had the ultimate power/influence and the control would we let this happen?



These accusations are the excusses of our enemies in front of their inferiority,
symptoms of their fear to face the truth,
their seek to find a goatscape ends on our selves
and they arrived the certain moment only to cause us trouble and put the pressure on our feet and the refs shoulders,
even if we dont loose,
the fairly won on the field championship,
our enemies will have an excuse, to throw up, again, one more year,
expired data of the "evidence" they were colecting for years,
their importance, accuracy or any conection with reality is seemingless for them,
so as the final verdict of the justice system...


We sould know better by know,
history prooves these acusations appear right before these sensitive moments,
to make the maximum damage before we have the time to wash away the mad they are throwing us...

 

[Hambon]

Why are we always the only team acused?

If we really had the ultimate power/influence and the control would we let this happen?

On the really If all this were true this 19th in Paris should have been Juventus vs Barca for the CL final

and for anyone out there that dares to Taint our club with these false rumors....these words are for you: Is I know U didnt Mo FO

 

[Jem83]

until he's found guilty the allegations are not true, if you catch my drift..

we should back Moggi until then, like the fans at Delle Alpi did

He has given his all to this club

Now we must repay his loyalty and devotion by sticking by him in this difficult period

 

[Cronios]

The phone calls in question were made between August 2004 and the end of September 2004, what great importance friendly games were up to then?
They really got us this time,
after taking corpses of the grave to find EPO, wire our phones, maybe watching our training over satelites too, they finaly got a conversation were Moggi were asking/conferming/joking about a ref,
they cut the pieces they wanted and made a nice show for the press...

 

[Jem83]

The phone calls in question were made between August 2004 and the end of September 2004, what great importance friendly games were up to then?
They really got us this time,
after taking corpses of the grave to find EPO, wire our phones, maybe watching our training over satelites too, they finaly got a conversation were Moggi were asking/conferming/joking about a ref,
they cut the pieces they wanted and made a nice show for the press...

this is more likely than anything in the 'transcripts', which says it all really..

 

[Cronios]

until he's found guilty the allegations are not true, if you catch my drift..

we should back Moggi until then, like the fans at Delle Alpi did

He has given his all to this club

Now we must repay his loyalty and devotion by sticking by him in this difficult period

Turin justice system has already found him, not guilty long time ago,
but who cares, this cant make a first page...

 

[Jem83]

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[swag]

What on earth are you talking about?

That some fans and clubs fall into whining mode as a cover for their own failures. It's not just football -- I mean, fans who watch India vs. Pakistan cricket matches notoriously alter between "Oh, it's fixed... it's all a bogus show anyway" to "This is awesome, we're winning!"

The point for the here and now being that Roma has a chance for silverware this week. And more than likely, they will go down choking to a dodgy Inter side of late ... all the while whining about Juve.