Antonio Conte - Manager - Siena (27 Viewers)
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- Lippi in his time was a very different case and was only suited to Juventus' game. He failed at Inter later more or less the same at Napoli.
- Guardiola, yeah a nice example but his type is too rare.
- Villas Boas and Mourinho? Dude are you fucking kidding me, Villas Boas is breaking records atm with porto and Mourinho won a CL with Porto.
Conte is by no means comparable to any of these coaches.
- Guardiola, yeah a nice example but his type is too rare.
- Villas Boas and Mourinho? Dude are you fucking kidding me, Villas Boas is breaking records atm with porto and Mourinho won a CL with Porto.
Conte is by no means comparable to any of these coaches.
I've seen too many clubs trying to find their own Guardiola and failed awfully. I wont bother myself with watching another season of rubbish football that can break my day and an odd meaningless coach like Conte who is far from the right person for us. I would rather have Mazzarri here, atleast he proved things.. in Serie A.
I'm not kidding you. If you cared to read properly, i said before they were engaged by the clubs for whom they won trophies. In the case of these two, before Porto. Porto took gambles and it worked well. I'm not saying that Conte is on the same level, mind you. I'm just saying that for consistency's sake, if the argument is going to be simply "what has he achieved?" then it would apply for the above people as well. Thus, the arguments against Conte have to be a bit smarter than that, especially coming from people who don't know him personally, and have never worked with him.
The thing is, such a choice is a gamble. And for all we know, Conte could be an informed gamble, as in some circumstances, and i'm not saying this is it, track record account for nothing. This should be clear in a season where Milan won the scudetto with Allegri.
The thing is, such a choice is a gamble. And for all we know, Conte could be an informed gamble, as in some circumstances, and i'm not saying this is it, track record account for nothing. This should be clear in a season where Milan won the scudetto with Allegri.
Every year that goes by with such amateurish decisions makes you wonder if this club will ever regain lost glory? I have a feeling that the only way to do that will be by submitting to the new world order and selling out to a new owner. I don't think Juventus will ever be the same under the Agnelli-Elkann name.
I remember Mourinho had a relegation struggler into EUFA cup before he moved to Porto. And Villas-Boas coached a nation when he was 18 years old, so they showed glimpses of succes before they won trophy's. Also they had a more solid environment where they worked, Juve since 2009 is always one blow from caving in.
The thing which upsets me is the fact we are gambling with the most essential part of our squad, the coach.
The thing which upsets me is the fact we are gambling with the most essential part of our squad, the coach.
It might be a bit difficult for you to decipher it on your own so I spell it out. My case is not a case of belief that Conte is a good choice. It's a refutation of disbelief that he is a wrong one. A sort of agnostic wait and see.
This is mostly rooted in the fact that as a fan I'm stuck with partial information and cannot make a sound judgement because I don't know what the hell goes on behind closed doors, and I get information from the media.
This is mostly rooted in the fact that as a fan I'm stuck with partial information and cannot make a sound judgement because I don't know what the hell goes on behind closed doors, and I get information from the media.
Unfortunately this club and the people running it are not shrewd enough to gamble. They're amateurs who need to be held by the hand and shown the way by a somewhat charismatic figurehead. Perhaps in the form of a coach. Marrotta isn't like Galliani, and well out of his depth. Andrea is no Silvio either, for better or worse. He's young, he needs time. And therefore this team needs somebody who knows success has lived it, created it and has a habit of it. There is no way this club can have a young president, a clueless DG and young coach, because they won't know what and how to build a solid foundation for the future. Not to regress, but the likes of Allegri, Guardiola, Lippi etc., worked because they were backed by people who knew what they were doing, the personnel to bring in, allocating mercato funds and to what extent.
Don't forget that a Conte under Moggi would be very different from a Conte under Marrotta. What we needed was a Lippi or a Capello, who weren't dependent on anybody else in this club, because they don't know what to do when theyre not busy throwing away precious funds and wasting resources.
Don't forget that a Conte under Moggi would be very different from a Conte under Marrotta. What we needed was a Lippi or a Capello, who weren't dependent on anybody else in this club, because they don't know what to do when theyre not busy throwing away precious funds and wasting resources.
Del Neri took Samp to CL. So what? Does that make him a good choice? The point i'm trying to make, if you're willing to listen, is that there hardly is a sure thing in football, and the success or otherwise of a team depends on so much more. Sombody mentioned Allegri. Granted, it was a weak serie A, and inter lost a bunch of points. But that hardly matters in the history books does it? Mourinho this season, with all the spending of Real Madrid managed one domestic cup. There are other factors involved in how a coach does.
I know this is a Juve forum, but these things are not all black and white.
I know this is a Juve forum, but these things are not all black and white.
I understand your point, but I'm trying to say that we shouldn't take a bigger gamble than normal with a coach from Serie B. Which we are taking if we are hiring Conte. A solid proven coach like Van Gaal should be just a wiser choice.
I cant understand any director of Juventus hiring a coach like Conte, if you really care for this club.
I cant understand any director of Juventus hiring a coach like Conte, if you really care for this club.
So there's some magical ability that Conte possesses that only a few people, people that have selected wrong personnel constantly, can ascertain? Uh huh, right.
This argument has been used before with the likes of Del Neri and Ferrara in the past.
The managers you mentioned before also had good management and scouting in place when they took their jobs at their respective clubs. We do not. So to me, that means we need a damn good coach who can turn the entire club upside down.
This argument has been used before with the likes of Del Neri and Ferrara in the past.
The managers you mentioned before also had good management and scouting in place when they took their jobs at their respective clubs. We do not. So to me, that means we need a damn good coach who can turn the entire club upside down.
At least Conte is a man who knows when he should resign and won't act like Del Neri, pretending that he did nothing wrong. Also, signing Conte's coaching team means that we might finally work out our fitness issues that have been troubling us since Ranieri days, half of our players are always either injured or dead-tired at the end of the game. Also, Antonio might kick in some fighting spirit back into our midfielders, who in the past season always standed out between the other groups for their laziness and invisibility (excluding Pepe ). 2-3 high quality players over the summer, fit team, midfield that protects the defense properly and we might stand a chance in this 4th rate championship to qualify for something.
). 2-3 high quality players over the summer, fit team, midfield that protects the defense properly and we might stand a chance in this 4th rate championship to qualify for something.
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