Antonio Candreva (18 Viewers)
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at least they were world champ. 
and they are playing in their own country and own league.
and they are playing in their own country and own league.
Sure, but do we really need Candreva. Do we? More than other positions?
No, we don't. So the suspicion that this deal is not in our best interest right now isn't so far fetched. And with Lippi hanging around every other day at the club, you have to wonder.
If they would have signed Ranocchia for instance, it would make more sense.
The only BS here is you continuing to use this as an argument, Osman. Yes, people have seen him before, he plays in Serie A and for the Azzurrini and Azzurri for fuck's sake.
No, we don't. So the suspicion that this deal is not in our best interest right now isn't so far fetched. And with Lippi hanging around every other day at the club, you have to wonder.
If they would have signed Ranocchia for instance, it would make more sense.
The only BS here is you continuing to use this as an argument, Osman. Yes, people have seen him before, he plays in Serie A and for the Azzurrini and Azzurri for fuck's sake.
Yes, we might just need him that much. Yes our defense looks like some girlscoouts lost in Harlem by night, but the solution is not clear cut and it would be wrong to blame of defensive problems solely on the defense.
Our major problem - and has been since things started to go wrong - is that we are unable to keep the ball and create chances. Our midfield is running aound like headless chickens and are not able to pass the ball.
Defense is not getting help, nor that many calm periods. If we could just move the play 10 meters forward, and keep the ball a lot of pressure would be allieved for the defense. Candreva might not be the solution - but his type of player is. I view him as box to box midfielder or an AM that can tackle. My hope is that we get a 4312 midfield which can play a litlle more ball, thus helping Diego. We even get another option for the 4231 formation, if i've read some of the posts correct.
I THINK fixing the midfield will fix a major part of the defensive problems. And I think the bayern game was the clearest evidence of that. I dare you to find three consecutive passes between our five man midfield. Thats FIVE players and still we could pass the ball around. When that is said, I also think that we need reinforcements in the Defense. Caceres can develop into a good player, and off course Chiellini. Rest needs to be changed.
Anyways... isn't Ranocchia having some knee problems?
Our major problem - and has been since things started to go wrong - is that we are unable to keep the ball and create chances. Our midfield is running aound like headless chickens and are not able to pass the ball.
Defense is not getting help, nor that many calm periods. If we could just move the play 10 meters forward, and keep the ball a lot of pressure would be allieved for the defense. Candreva might not be the solution - but his type of player is. I view him as box to box midfielder or an AM that can tackle. My hope is that we get a 4312 midfield which can play a litlle more ball, thus helping Diego. We even get another option for the 4231 formation, if i've read some of the posts correct.
I THINK fixing the midfield will fix a major part of the defensive problems. And I think the bayern game was the clearest evidence of that. I dare you to find three consecutive passes between our five man midfield. Thats FIVE players and still we could pass the ball around. When that is said, I also think that we need reinforcements in the Defense. Caceres can develop into a good player, and off course Chiellini. Rest needs to be changed.
Anyways... isn't Ranocchia having some knee problems?
Andy: People who admit they barely seen him (not many here saw Azzurrini, and Livorno game one might seen is barely any but the Juve and Inter game at best prolly) say he is the new Tiago AND is barely average. I get not being excited or being sold, cautious about it, but being absolute about him in opinion already is pretty weird. I mean, how hard is it to have little patience, see him for yourself, and THEN judge? Especially as its a loan, virtually zero risk at all.
And how hard is it to get? Its obvious we wont sign a defender in mid season, Ciro and the board obviously will go on with the full set we have for the season, and THEN re-evaluate the defence in the summer (regardless of what we think). We are signing a midfielder now not only because basically ALL regular/semi regular midfielders except Marchisio and the suspended Melo are out injured (we are starting Sali and DC FFS), but also because we shipped out Tiago. Hence we need depth (so yes we NEED him), and we need it ASAP considering our injuries. They were getting a midfielder either way this window, and I prefer they get one who has a potential to be a long term option, then a short term fix we have to get rid of in summer anyways (short term fixes you ALL would have flamed as a disastrous, no doubt), or get stuck with if we buy.
I would be the first to ask for other priorities if this was in the summer, but its January now, and its obvious we wont sign any defenders (we have 8 defenders, unless we sell now, which is not gonna happen, we dont have room for more) Wasnt gonna happen unless too good of an option or possibility came up (that Twente defender Douglas). Rannocchia would have been nice, but even if wasnt injured, I doubt the highflying Bari would be as easy to convince as Livorno (star defender for them), nor would Genoa be as accomodating as Udinese. We already have issue enough with dealing with them with the players we (co) OWN.
Seriously, not everything has to be negative, I get saying you are uncertain about how things will turn out with this, so am I, but I like him as a talent, and there is little to no risk with getting a young midfielder we can use, considering its loan. So whats the big deal?
That Lippi BS is downright silly FFS. As I already said, we have been scouting and signing promising younger italian players throughout our history. Mention any prominent Juve player in the last 30 years, and you can bet we have gotten them from Padova, Atalanta, Lecce, Livorno Parma, Varese, Napoli, Como and so and so on, in between the ages of 18-24 mostly. So yeah, us doing so now with a 22 year old is automatically attributed to some "sinister" Lippi influence (like its a bad thing if he recommend a good youngster, if its a shitty Grosso yes, if its a talented player, mucho gracias), because its somehow totally out of the norm of the club huh? Seriously.
And how hard is it to get? Its obvious we wont sign a defender in mid season, Ciro and the board obviously will go on with the full set we have for the season, and THEN re-evaluate the defence in the summer (regardless of what we think). We are signing a midfielder now not only because basically ALL regular/semi regular midfielders except Marchisio and the suspended Melo are out injured (we are starting Sali and DC FFS), but also because we shipped out Tiago. Hence we need depth (so yes we NEED him), and we need it ASAP considering our injuries. They were getting a midfielder either way this window, and I prefer they get one who has a potential to be a long term option, then a short term fix we have to get rid of in summer anyways (short term fixes you ALL would have flamed as a disastrous, no doubt), or get stuck with if we buy.
I would be the first to ask for other priorities if this was in the summer, but its January now, and its obvious we wont sign any defenders (we have 8 defenders, unless we sell now, which is not gonna happen, we dont have room for more) Wasnt gonna happen unless too good of an option or possibility came up (that Twente defender Douglas). Rannocchia would have been nice, but even if wasnt injured, I doubt the highflying Bari would be as easy to convince as Livorno (star defender for them), nor would Genoa be as accomodating as Udinese. We already have issue enough with dealing with them with the players we (co) OWN.
Seriously, not everything has to be negative, I get saying you are uncertain about how things will turn out with this, so am I, but I like him as a talent, and there is little to no risk with getting a young midfielder we can use, considering its loan. So whats the big deal?
That Lippi BS is downright silly FFS. As I already said, we have been scouting and signing promising younger italian players throughout our history. Mention any prominent Juve player in the last 30 years, and you can bet we have gotten them from Padova, Atalanta, Lecce, Livorno Parma, Varese, Napoli, Como and so and so on, in between the ages of 18-24 mostly. So yeah, us doing so now with a 22 year old is automatically attributed to some "sinister" Lippi influence (like its a bad thing if he recommend a good youngster, if its a shitty Grosso yes, if its a talented player, mucho gracias), because its somehow totally out of the norm of the club huh? Seriously.
