Another Ex To Return??? (Zambrotta) (16 Viewers)

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Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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That should be all that matters, whether they are good enough to be in the first team. Balzaretti and Chiellini are good players, i especially like balzaretti but they are not a patch on Zambrotta. I would not mind seeing a back line of grygera, barzagli cannavaro and zambrotta or would these guys branding people traitors and all, be happy to see kovac and boumsong taking on seriea strikers?
Cannavaro has been utter rubbish at Madrid this season, so he could be on his last legs anyway.

You keep saying how you find it ridiculous people would rather have Tacchinardi than someone such as Emerson coming back to Juventus. Personally, I find this logical as Tacchinardi has given far more to Juventus than Emerson Ferriera. Loyalty in professional football is hard to find nowadays, and as supporters of this club we love to see such loyalty to Juventus as we are loyal to the club as well. Afterall, if we attend matches, buy Juventus merchandise etc we are helping to pay player wages, so when we see someone such as Pessotto who gave his all to Juventus and never wanted to leave, of course we will extend our hand to him before some random player who might have played here for a couple seasons.

Some fans only care about winning... others care about winning as well, but also about tradition and, as you have stated, the whole enjoyment of watching the game as a supporter. Hand in hand with this enjoyment, at least to me, comes this mutual give and take between supporters and players who both want what is best for Juventus. So while some fans are loyal to Juventus and give much of their time and money to the club, they also expect sort of the same from the players, and that is why we prefer players such as Pessotto, Tacchinardi and Scirea etc instead of those who nonchalantly come and go. Without loyalty in football the sport would have died long ago as there certainly was not an endless amounts of cash flowing into the sport like there is today.
 

denco

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Jul 12, 2002
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Cannavaro has been utter rubbish at Madrid this season, so he could be on his last legs anyway.

You keep saying how you find it ridiculous people would rather have Tacchinardi than someone such as Emerson coming back to Juventus. Personally, I find this logical as Tacchinardi has given far more to Juventus than Emerson Ferriera. Loyalty in professional football is hard to find nowadays, and as supporters of this club we love to see such loyalty to Juventus as we are loyal to the club as well. Afterall, if we attend matches, buy Juventus merchandise etc we are helping to pay player wages, so when we see someone such as Pessotto who gave his all to Juventus and never wanted to leave, of course we will extend our hand to him before some random player who might have played here for a couple seasons.

Some fans only care about winning... others care about winning as well, but also about tradition and, as you have stated, the whole enjoyment of watching the game as a supporter. Hand in hand with this enjoyment, at least to me, comes this mutual give and take between supporters and players who both want what is best for Juventus. So while some fans are loyal to Juventus and give much of their time and money to the club, they also expect sort of the same from the players, and that is why we prefer players such as Pessotto, Tacchinardi and Scirea etc instead of those who nonchalantly come and go. Without loyalty in football the sport would have died long ago as there certainly was not an endless amounts of cash flowing into the sport like there is today.
Why would you mention Scirea? Scirea is adored because he was loyal but mainly because he could play. Costacurta is respected but not as adored as Maldini because Maldini is a far better player even if they have been at Milan roughly the same period. Yes loyalty is all and good but so also is demand, I am not sure which teams on a par with Juventus actually came in for Pessotto. Tacchinardi went to Villareal because he was not played under Capello, Emerson left because Juve got relegated not because of his and team mates' lack of effort but because the powers that be cheated. Bottom line is that they both left, it might have been for differing reasons but they both left. Birindelli has been there for like ever without being a regular but he still is there, Tacchinardi obviously felt he was too good not to be a first teamer, rightly or wrongly, he left and by yours and some other guys on here, that is the same as what Emerson, Zambrotta, Thuram and Cannavaro's leaving. Some of them thought that they were too good to play in serie B, Tacchinardi thought he was too good to be a sub at Juve but some are pilloried whilst Tacchinardi is not. Cannavaro is not finding it easy at Real Madrid; same as Sheva as the game is faster, the players they are playing with and against are different. Real Madrid have actually done so much better defensively than other years and that’s mainly due to Cannavaro's influence but he gets so much stick from Juve fans because of so called betrayal, others who are annoyed that a striker did not get euro and world footballer of the year, that every single mistake is highlighted and blown way out of proportion. He has had to contend with a midfielder in helguera playing beside his, or a right back in Ramos, either playing with him or at left back. Roberto Carlos exposing space behind him by going forward and just generally being dragged into places he does not want to go and at the same time having to cover holes at the back. Yes he has made mistakes but so has Ronaldinho and Henry but because he triumphed in the awards, they keep harping on how badly he has been playing and no he wont get any sympathy in this forum.
The problems with fans are they are way too fickle, noone wants to remember how well Cannavaro played for us to be champs twice, all they keep talking about is how we supposedly saved his career from Inter.
The most beloved Italian player of the last 20 years has been Baggio, but at how many clubs was he "loyal" to? The boy could play and that’s what matter most
Dp is adored at Juve mainly cos he can play as is Totti
Does Maradona have the most caps at Napoli or was he the longest staying player but can you think of anyone who has ever played for the club that is remotely anywhere near as beloved?
 

Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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Tacchinardi obviously felt he was too good not to be a first teamer, rightly or wrongly, he left and by yours and some other guys on here, that is the same as what Emerson, Zambrotta, Thuram and Cannavaro's leaving.
That's not exactly true. Tacchinardi left because Capello didn't need him anymore and always played behind the inferior Blasi of all players...

So no, that's not at all the same situation as Emerson, Cannavaro or Thuram.


The most beloved Italian player of the last 20 years has been Baggio, but at how many clubs was he "loyal" to?
But then again, of course Italians will love the memories Baggio gave them as he almost helped the Azzurri win the cup in 1994. His displays were amazing, so of course fans will adore him. That's quite obvious but rather superfluous in the discussion of loyalty in club football. It doesn't take respaul to tell you Baggio is not exactly a "Juventus legend."
 

malducato1

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Dec 26, 2005
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Almost win it? He's the one that missed the penalty dude :(
He may have missed that penalty but so did Baresi and the only reason those two guys took the penalty's because no one else wanted too. If it wasn't for Baggio that Azzurri team would have been out in the round of 16 losing to Nigeria. He made that jackass Sacchi look like genius.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
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Almost win it? He's the one that missed the penalty dude :(
He missed a penalty... it can happen to anyone and doesn't take away his displays through the tournament. Penalty kicks are certainly not the most ideal way to decide the biggest tournament in the world, unfortunately.
 

Seven

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Jun 25, 2003
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He missed a penalty... it can happen to anyone and doesn't take away his displays through the tournament. Penalty kicks are certainly not the most ideal way to decide the biggest tournament in the world, unfortunately.
It's, in my opinion, the only way though.
 

Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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It's, in my opinion, the only way though.
I still like my idea of having unlimited substitutions after the 120 minutes of play, or perhaps even 90. That way, the real strength of a team will be tested with the implementation of substitutes and their ability to mesh with the rest of the team. Some people may not like it due to time constraints and TV nonsense, but it's certainly more "team" oriented than penalty kicks.
 
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