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[Boudz]

Recent events in English Football have made my theory sound less crazy, I know some people have been talking about this but I suspected it from the start.
hear me out

The year is 2004:
Most major clubs are linked with 2 of Argentina's brightest prospects, Tevez and Mascherano. Corinthians do the unpredictable and sign the both of them for a total of 20.5 Million Pounds. Media Sports Investments (MSI) were responsible for the transfers. At the time of the transfers, whose Yacht was spotted in Brazil? None other than that of Roman Abramovich. Thats when the first flag went up.

Corinthians enjoyed a great first season, winning the league with Tevez being voted Player of the Year.

The following season things seemed 2 trun around 180 degrees. Corinthians are at the bottom of the League, the locker room atmosphere is in disarray, the board of directors are split into 2 groups. could it get any worse?

You see my friends, this whole issue is quite simple, Chelsea are funding MSI to fund Corinthians so they can buy 2 great prospects and keep them on the backburner until Chelsea are ready for them.

2006:
Chelsea are dealt with a scare, Corinthians could be relegated, the players would want to leave and Chelsea would have to find them a new home. Thats where the rumors of the players being linked to Arsenal and Man Utd and all major clubs came back to life.
With the board of directors no longer in 100% control by MSI, this storage warehouse was no longer safe.

Then came the coup of the season, tiny West Ham beat the likes of Arsenal and Man Utd to the signing of not 1 but 2 of some of the most sought out players in football for "undisclosed fees". The original plan was to have the players join West Ham on loan but the board at Corinthians couldnt be trusted so the deal was made permanent.

August 31st 2006, an employee club is born!

The 2 players are brought to England, the players can take time to get used to the Premiership and once Drogba and Makelele are rendered useless they will be taken out to the field and shot, then the new boys come in.

This is a system we all know very well, and the Godfather of it all was Luciano Moggi, it seems that Kenyon has gotten his hands on the transcripts of the hundreds of telephone calls in question with the Calciopoli and they have done their homework.

Its a reliable system, support a small team with either money or players on loan, for 6 points a season in return. What we have here is the Birth of the Moggi-System Anlgo Style!

Many supporters of the Premiership will shoot down the thought of the English system being corrupt cos they are in the Euphoria phase. We went through it with Italian football, watching the likes of Ronaldo, Baggio, Sheva, Batistuta. We were so star-struck we ignored all the signs.
Now the Premiership viewers are star-struck by Ballack, Sheva, Rooney, Henry, C.Ronaldo; they cant see what really is going on. Not until telephone calls are intercepted with Peter Kenyon talking to Graham Poll about sending him the new Jaguar or even a brand new Russian Lada.

You see Tevez and Mascherano were always destined to join Chelsea, that is if they remain the excellent players they are today. Just like Cavenaghi will join none other than Chelsea once he blossoms into the pretty butterfly we've all been waiting for.

Moggi may be banned from the football world but his legacy will never die!!

 

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[ReBeL]

Well, I think the solution can be found for this puzzle by bringing both Joorabchian and Zahavi into the forum to tell us what they know...

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A deal that is extraordinary in every way


The biggest transfer sting of this window, and perhaps any other, was delivered to West Ham supporters over their breakfast this morning like some kind of football miracle. The acquisitions of Carlos Tevez and Javier Mascherano for a club whose original summer targets were the rather more modest Steed Malbranque and Damien Johnson were delivered like a gift from the football gods.

For a club whose supporters are notoriously demanding, where every man, woman and child considers themselves defenders of the great tradition of "the Academy" the delight will be mixed with disbelief and not a little scepticism.

How did Argentina's two most promising players, both of them variously linked with lucrative moves to Chelsea, Manchester United and Arsenal, end up in a Docklands hotel in east London yesterday awaiting their Home Office work permits?

The pair have been the most coveted players in this summer's transfer window. A defensive midfielder, Mascherano was Sir Alex Ferguson's first choice to fill the void left by Roy Keane; Jose Mourinho travelled to Brazil at the end of last season to watch Tevez play for Corinthians. But yesterday both players had been signed on what were described as "permanent deals" at Upton Park.

The train of events that led to their arrival begins in December 2004 when an Iranian financier with a British and a Canadian passport struck a deal with the Brazilian club Corinthians: he would invest £50m in the club over the next two and a half years for 51 per cent of profits. His name is Kia Joorabchian, 34, who is registered at Companies House with two separate birth dates and as a director of eight companies.

Joorabchian is poised to become one of the most famous names among the powerbrokers of English football. He already is in São Paulo where, as a driving force, he paid £11.2m to acquire Tevez from Boca Juniors and a further £8m to buy Mascherano from River Plate. Yesterday it was still unclear whether it was Joorabchian who was the owner, rather than Corinthians, of the two players' registrations, although the club did confirm that he was acting as their agent and negotiating the deal in London.

So why West Ham when the very best in the Premiership were interested? There is little doubt at Upton Park that these two stars are not planning to stay long. The club fully expect them to make the most of their opportunity to convince the biggest clubs in the Premiership - and Europe - that they are worth investing in.

There is no doubt that the move to Upton Park is a platform for the big money transfer that those involved hope will take place next summer. West Ham have denied that Joorabchian is interested in investing in their club although it is unclear whether that is in fact the case. He has been linked with such a move in the past.

The deal was negotiated with very few at West Ham in the loop - it is understood the chairman, Terry Brown, and managing director, Paul Aldridge, were the only men in the know until yesterday, although another individual who played a key role was Pini Zahavi. The Israeli agent, whose influence over English football has grown remarkably over the last 10 years, was at Upton Park yesterday with Joorabchian.

Unlike Zahavi, Joorabchian is understood not to be involved any longer with Media Sports Investments, a company that has handled a number of major transfers. However, Zahavi, who is closely linked to Alexandre Gaydamak's regime at Portsmouth, will have been central to advising where the two players went.

Tevez and Mascherano, who will be presented to the media on Tuesday, have not left Corinthians on good terms. Tevez left without permission for Buenos Aires shortly after playing what now seems to have been his last game for the club on 22 August. Mascherano was sent off against Gremio on Sunday and there have been allegations that he did so deliberately to get a suspension that would release him for international duty.

By Sam Wallace

 

[sateeh]

interesting theory, moggi's legacy will live on.
whether kenyon would be smarter and doesnt discuss things on the phone is interesting.

Another interesting thing is that the english media think they r much superior and that the scandal that happened in italy could NEVER happen in England.

 

[V]

hey that's my conspiracy theory.

nice articles guys.

 

[Rhizoid]

We'll have to see what happens when the two teams meet.

+rep for the theory strippo!

 

[d.nico]

Yeah, this is the whole system. Power and money.

And Juventus seem to lose both.

 

[Boudz]

Another interesting thing is that the english media think they r much superior and that the scandal that happened in italy could NEVER happen in England.

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[V]

Word int:

man i read your sig everytime i see it. classic.

 

[Boudz]

Homer's da bomb

 

[loyada]

full story : http://sport.independent.co.uk/football/premiership/article1359822.ece

What seemed like the transfer coup of the decade took on a more prosaic appearance yesterday as it was revealed that Carlos Tevez and Javier Mascherano were hawked around several clubs before being offloaded to West Ham United at the 11th hour because they were the only club to agree to a raft of unusual conditions.
But this summer several big European clubs, including Manchester United, baulked at the price for one or both of the players. David Gill, the United chief executive, confirmed that yesterday. Arsenal, Chelsea, Seville and Roma were also reportedly among those not interested.

Instead MSI was left desperately seeking a club that would act as a "surrogate mother" for the players, on several conditions, including a contractual obligation to play them in every match, and a contractual obligation to let them be sold for profits - for MSI to pocket - at a time of MSI's choosing. Portsmouth were unwilling to take the players under such conditions, and neither were Manchester United willing to take Mascherano as part of such a deal. Gill said United were never interested in Tevez.

So while West Ham acquired two of Argentina's World Cup stars, both aged 22, on transfer deadline day, the way they will deploy them is being dictated by forces outside the club. On the plus side, West Ham reportedly paid nothing for the pair in fees, and will need to pay only half their wages, of £1.5m per year for Tevez and £1m for Mascherano.

In a bizarre twist to the saga, the man behind their move to West Ham, Kia Joorabchian, claimed in an interview with the News of the World that West Ham can become bigger than Chelsea "in the very near future". West Ham have confirmed exploratory talks about a takeover are under way with an unknown bidder with anonymous backers, believed to be Joorabchian. Joorabchian said: "When you see two players like that joining West Ham then there is no doubt in my mind the club can become massive."
However, yesterday's revelations by Gill alone cast fresh light on the players' move, making West Ham appear to be more puppet than great persuader.



obligation to play them in every match ??

 

[Jun-hide]

It will be interesting if MSI group takes over West-Ham. If Abrahmovic is behind this MSI and the case proven, we are talking about a scandal that will make Calciopoli looks like a minor event.

Sooner or later UEFA is going to mandate all-clubs to disclose certain basic information such as the ownership behind the teams. There is no way in the world West-Ham can afford the transfer fee that exceeds their revenues, because they are not going to grow 500% p.a. consistently, and anyone who believes West-Ham has to potential to reach the top-end of the business is mad.
West-Ham doesnt have the world-wide reach that Chelski had when Abramhovic took over, and nor do they have foundation at present to challenge for the top honours. Moreover, if you really do want to make money from soccer why not invest in one the big Italian clubs?
Lazio, Roma, and Juve IMO reached their low ends, and experienced years of bad management (For us obviously different reasons). These are the exact profile of clubs that you are looking to takeover and earn quite a profit from the venture.
Don't give me this premiership is on the up kind of shit, West-Ham is simply not on Lazio, Roma or Juve level and will never be one.

So it is obvious to me MSI's possible takeover of West-Ham is not one based on financial purposes but on other resons. I feel Kia is working on the behalf of some corrut and outragouesly rich Russian investor who are probably seeking some kind of link with Britain so that he may flee if there is any development to reclaim back his wealth in Russia (Like the Yukos boss), which he, btw, stole from the average Russian with the turd that Boris Yeltsin was.
Well the same can be said with Roman Abrahmovic. I don't blame them for buying a football team or two because I would have done the same if I was in the same position.

But authorities will have to draw the line and tell these Russian Oligarchs that soccer clubs cannot be used for the passage to saftey and prestige. They earnt their millions in an immoral manner, and there is nothing more sick IMO than to see the money which would have paid for uneducated children, basic sanity, heating, clothing, and food, being used to pay for the salary of grossly overpaid players, and satisfying the vanity of already rich fans (Chelskis).
At least, Calciopoli didnt starve out poor children from their much needed education, food, and clothing.

And I have heard rumors that UEFA is looking for ways to make club ownership more transparent- about time it is! Teams in EPL will suffer because some teams will have to pay outrageous sums to attract top stars just to keep their prestige going. Do I think 17m for Carrick by Man U was a coincidence? Obviously not. I think only reason why Chelski didn't match Man U's offer is because Man U was conducting bad business and both they and Man U knew it. But such is the state, I feel that is the only way Man U can now attract top players to their team.
Ditto for Arsenal. As for Chelski, they won't mind a overpaying player or two since money is not their concern. I think the current situation in UK resemble a lot of those outrageous deals that were flying through Italia in the summer of 2003-4 and while I think some teams will weather through due to their vast wealth they are others I feel might find the danger trying to live beyond their means (Newcastle, I think will be in a red-ticket very soon) .
Beside, these owners may hold vast amount of wealth but we should also remember their claim to ownership is very unstable. A change of government in Russia who knows what may happen. So their stated claim to wealth is actually over-estimate the real value of their holding, and from the fans perspective it may be good dream in short term but they could be in for a rude awakening.

I think leagues will have to introduce some sort of control on boards, and the most prominent one IMO is peer control like the US system. Takeover of teams from now should seek consent from other owners, because they will be too many teams that operate without any financial consideration.

 

[Boudz]

interesting stuff Jun-Hide

 

[malducato1]

Good read.

 

[Marko]

We'll see what will future bring...
Anyway, I think that both Tevez & Mascherano are overestimated.

 

[Ahmed]

i doubt that an investigation would lead to a calciopoli-esque situation...they would have had an army of lawyers making sure that they cannot be touched...

 

[Bozi]

well FIFA is obviously watching this carefully as they have called for measures to ensure anonymity is not afforded to individuals posing as "companies" taking over football clubs.
wait and see, it will surprise no-one if both turn up at chelsea next summer after a storming season in the EPL.
@ jun hide- good article but west ham have a richer history than chelsea really, the only thing chelsea really have is a hoi-poloi crowd attatched to teh club in times of success and some hardcore violent fans

 

[Vinman]

Well, I think the solution can be found for this puzzle by bringing both Joorabchian and Zahavi into the forum to tell us what they know...

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A deal that is extraordinary in every way


The biggest transfer sting of this window, and perhaps any other, was delivered to West Ham supporters over their breakfast this morning like some kind of football miracle. The acquisitions of Carlos Tevez and Javier Mascherano for a club whose original summer targets were the rather more modest Steed Malbranque and Damien Johnson were delivered like a gift from the football gods.

For a club whose supporters are notoriously demanding, where every man, woman and child considers themselves defenders of the great tradition of "the Academy" the delight will be mixed with disbelief and not a little scepticism.

How did Argentina's two most promising players, both of them variously linked with lucrative moves to Chelsea, Manchester United and Arsenal, end up in a Docklands hotel in east London yesterday awaiting their Home Office work permits?

The pair have been the most coveted players in this summer's transfer window. A defensive midfielder, Mascherano was Sir Alex Ferguson's first choice to fill the void left by Roy Keane; Jose Mourinho travelled to Brazil at the end of last season to watch Tevez play for Corinthians. But yesterday both players had been signed on what were described as "permanent deals" at Upton Park.

The train of events that led to their arrival begins in December 2004 when an Iranian financier with a British and a Canadian passport struck a deal with the Brazilian club Corinthians: he would invest £50m in the club over the next two and a half years for 51 per cent of profits. His name is Kia Joorabchian, 34, who is registered at Companies House with two separate birth dates and as a director of eight companies.

Joorabchian is poised to become one of the most famous names among the powerbrokers of English football. He already is in São Paulo where, as a driving force, he paid £11.2m to acquire Tevez from Boca Juniors and a further £8m to buy Mascherano from River Plate. Yesterday it was still unclear whether it was Joorabchian who was the owner, rather than Corinthians, of the two players' registrations, although the club did confirm that he was acting as their agent and negotiating the deal in London.

So why West Ham when the very best in the Premiership were interested? There is little doubt at Upton Park that these two stars are not planning to stay long. The club fully expect them to make the most of their opportunity to convince the biggest clubs in the Premiership - and Europe - that they are worth investing in.

There is no doubt that the move to Upton Park is a platform for the big money transfer that those involved hope will take place next summer. West Ham have denied that Joorabchian is interested in investing in their club although it is unclear whether that is in fact the case. He has been linked with such a move in the past.

The deal was negotiated with very few at West Ham in the loop - it is understood the chairman, Terry Brown, and managing director, Paul Aldridge, were the only men in the know until yesterday, although another individual who played a key role was Pini Zahavi. The Israeli agent, whose influence over English football has grown remarkably over the last 10 years, was at Upton Park yesterday with Joorabchian.

Unlike Zahavi, Joorabchian is understood not to be involved any longer with Media Sports Investments, a company that has handled a number of major transfers. However, Zahavi, who is closely linked to Alexandre Gaydamak's regime at Portsmouth, will have been central to advising where the two players went.

Tevez and Mascherano, who will be presented to the media on Tuesday, have not left Corinthians on good terms. Tevez left without permission for Buenos Aires shortly after playing what now seems to have been his last game for the club on 22 August. Mascherano was sent off against Gremio on Sunday and there have been allegations that he did so deliberately to get a suspension that would release him for international duty.

By Sam Wallace

I DON'T BELIEVE ANY OF THIS TO BE TRUE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

there is NO wa that an Iranian and an Israeli will do business together !!!

 

[swag]

The language of money conquers all, Vinman.

 

[Cronios]

Very interesting thread,
the first one i read for this season!

(i m back from summer vacations )

 

[ReBeL]

'I brokered West Ham deal,' says Zahavi


The businessman who delivered Carlos Tevez and Javier Mascherano to West Ham for nothing last week told The Independent yesterday that his personal fortune would allow him to buy a Premiership club on his own with no outside help.

Kia Joorabchian, 35, made his claim as further details emerged about the Argentines' move and as speculation increased over the identities of the unnamed parties who are in "exploratory talks" about a takeover.

According to Pini Zahavi - a friend of Joorabchian and the agent who brokered the players' move to West Ham - Tevez and Mascherano have each signed five-year deals, and were advised to do so by him. West Ham paid no transfer fees.

"I'm the one who told them to go to West Ham," Zahavi told The Independent. "It's the best thing for them at this stage of their career, for them to stay together and play for the same team and not to have the pressure of being at a big club. Foreign players need time to adjust and are not always well treated.

"Secondly West Ham play good, attacking football and the crowd will love the two players. They will be heroes. They will be looked after, they will be made to feel welcome."

Zahavi denied that the players were hawked around to other clubs and then only placed with West Ham when other clubs would not agree to certain contractual demands, such as the pair appearing in every match.

"We looked at other clubs - Chelsea, Arsenal, Milan, Juventus - but the only club we [actually] spoke to was West Ham," Zahavi said. "You need to speak to West Ham about what the [contractual] arrangements are."

West Ham denied yesterday that Alan Pardew is obliged to play them in every game. Joorabchian said that anyone who offered the players to other clubs - such as Manchester United, who were offered Mascherano last week - did so with no authority.

Zahavi said that the arrival of the South Americans, who are owned and controlled by Joorabchian and/or his unnamed backers (Joorabchian has declined to discuss the details) had nothing to do with a potential takeover at Upton Park. Zahavi said he had no role in any takeover.

It is understood that Joorabchian wants to buy West Ham, and indeed he had lengthy - and failed - negotiations to explore doing so last year.

Under stock market rules, he cannot discuss the subject. He also played down reports that he is a small-time, unsuccessful businessman. "If necessary, I could finance the purchase of a Premier League football club on my own," he said. He claims he has substantial assets in various private investments. He says he no longer has any ties at all to Media Sport Investment, the company he co-founded in 2004. He is now seeking backing for future football-related ventures from a group of Middle Eastern businessmen.

There has been speculation that Joorabchian is backed by the exiled Russian oligarch, Boris Berezovsky and/or the Georgian multimillionaire, Badri Patarkatsishvili, who also have business links with each other. Joorabchian denies this is the case.

Patarkatsishvili said yesterday: "Reports about my plans to buy West Ham are not true. I'm just close to people who are thinking about buying this club. I know these people for a long time. Even if I wished to buy it [West Ham], I would not be able to as I own Dynamo [Tbilisi] and, according to Fifa rules, this would be prohibited."

The businessman who delivered Carlos Tevez and Javier Mascherano to West Ham for nothing last week told The Independent yesterday that his personal fortune would allow him to buy a Premiership club on his own with no outside help.

Kia Joorabchian, 35, made his claim as further details emerged about the Argentines' move and as speculation increased over the identities of the unnamed parties who are in "exploratory talks" about a takeover.

According to Pini Zahavi - a friend of Joorabchian and the agent who brokered the players' move to West Ham - Tevez and Mascherano have each signed five-year deals, and were advised to do so by him. West Ham paid no transfer fees.

"I'm the one who told them to go to West Ham," Zahavi told The Independent. "It's the best thing for them at this stage of their career, for them to stay together and play for the same team and not to have the pressure of being at a big club. Foreign players need time to adjust and are not always well treated.

"Secondly West Ham play good, attacking football and the crowd will love the two players. They will be heroes. They will be looked after, they will be made to feel welcome."

Zahavi denied that the players were hawked around to other clubs and then only placed with West Ham when other clubs would not agree to certain contractual demands, such as the pair appearing in every match.

"We looked at other clubs - Chelsea, Arsenal, Milan, Juventus - but the only club we [actually] spoke to was West Ham," Zahavi said. "You need to speak to West Ham about what the [contractual] arrangements are."

West Ham denied yesterday that Alan Pardew is obliged to play them in every game. Joorabchian said that anyone who offered the players to other clubs - such as Manchester United, who were offered Mascherano last week - did so with no authority.
Zahavi said that the arrival of the South Americans, who are owned and controlled by Joorabchian and/or his unnamed backers (Joorabchian has declined to discuss the details) had nothing to do with a potential takeover at Upton Park. Zahavi said he had no role in any takeover.

It is understood that Joorabchian wants to buy West Ham, and indeed he had lengthy - and failed - negotiations to explore doing so last year.

Under stock market rules, he cannot discuss the subject. He also played down reports that he is a small-time, unsuccessful businessman. "If necessary, I could finance the purchase of a Premier League football club on my own," he said. He claims he has substantial assets in various private investments. He says he no longer has any ties at all to Media Sport Investment, the company he co-founded in 2004. He is now seeking backing for future football-related ventures from a group of Middle Eastern businessmen.

There has been speculation that Joorabchian is backed by the exiled Russian oligarch, Boris Berezovsky and/or the Georgian multimillionaire, Badri Patarkatsishvili, who also have business links with each other. Joorabchian denies this is the case.

Patarkatsishvili said yesterday: "Reports about my plans to buy West Ham are not true. I'm just close to people who are thinking about buying this club. I know these people for a long time. Even if I wished to buy it [West Ham], I would not be able to as I own Dynamo [Tbilisi] and, according to Fifa rules, this would be prohibited."

By Nick Harris and Jason Burt
Published: 05 September 2006

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Was Juve after one of those players??