Andrea Pirlo (87 Viewers)

[Dostoevsky]

Who would you suggest instead? What if we address our short term needs in the midfield by deploying Pirlo in the middle, spending our money on the positions we are terribly bad at (fullbacks) and then, after building a team who can compete for a decent place in the league, going for someone younger to replace Pirlo with?

Don't know if you're following news, but we're chasing out-of-contract Ziegler to solve our problems at the left side. I guess that's why we 'saved' money on Pirlo's move.

 

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[Trequartista]

I don't disagree with that, its just a stretch to think that we will address our severe needs at FB which have been ignored since 2007.

It's not like Pirlo came for 20 M euros, he came for free. We have money to spend on fullbacks.

 

[.zero]

If it wasn't a 3 year deal we weren't gonna sign him at all.
Pirlo is the best player we signed after Calciopoli. One of the rare good transfers we made. I know there are cons too and I know we're very sensitive lately, but this is a good transfer.

Its a good transfer on paper

BTW, I'm not against this signing at all, I'm ecstatic about Pirlo wearing our stripes.

 

[Juventino★★★]

If it wasn't a 3 year deal we weren't gonna sign him at all.
Pirlo is the best player we signed after Calciopoli. One of the rare good transfers we made. I know there are cons too and I know we're very sensitive lately, but this is a good transfer.

agree, and we dont have 300 millions to change the whole team like real madrid. so its good solution for now

 

[swag]

We're going to need a mix of veterans with some budding talent. Pirlo is one of the better vets as they come.

 

[.zero]

It's not like Pirlo came for 20 M euros, he came for free. We have money to spend on fullbacks.

We have had money to spend before and its always been spent unwisely or not spent at all. What good explanation does our management have for not addressing our problems at the back for 4 years now?

 

[Alen]

Of course, he alone isn't enough and if we want Pirlo to prove himself as a good transfer, Marotta will have to improve other positions too. The coach too will hopefully not deploy Pirlo where he won't be effective.
If that doesn't happen then Pirlo will look just as bad as the other (few) world class/excellent players we have in Juve.

 

[jussr]

And Pirlo is a champion. And not the Grosso type of champion that won one big trophy with any sort of contribution from his part, but a player that was integral to a multiple CL winning team for a decade.

 

[Trequartista]

We have had money to spend before and its always been spent unwisely or not spent at all. What good explanation does our management have for not addressing our problems at the back for 4 years now?

None. Ranieri said in an interview that when he needed a player in a specific position, the management bought instead a player in another position which did not need reinforcements, like getting Amauri instead of Xabi Alonso, and then getting Poulsen because we couldn't get Xabi.

If we had had it Ranieri's way, we would have had Xabi Alonso and not Amauri+Poulsen.

 

[acmilan]

I know he'll provide such.

I just hate the fact that we're relying on 32yo Pirlo to solve our regista problem since 2006. Just another short term solution. Even if he's capable of playing 2 more years at high level, it's not much really. Then we have to go through all of this again.

understandable, but as king Ale suggested, when a team needs to address so many other areas of the field, it's necessary to sign quality free agents, even if they are only short-term fixes, to save money considering Juve will not have enough money to buy world class players for all their needs.

Plus, there aren't many younger midfielder who would have the quality of Pirlo, and even if you were to find one, he would cost a fortune, most likely, not to mention that right now Juve, not playing in CL, is probably not as attractive an option as say Real, Chelski, ManU etc.

 

[.zero]

None. Ranieri said in an interview that when he needed a player in a specific position, the management bought instead a player in another position which did not need reinforcements, like getting Amauri instead of Xabi Alonso, and then getting Poulsen because we couldn't get Xabi.

If we had had it Ranieri's way, we would have had Xabi Alonso and not Amauri+Poulsen.

Word, thats my point

 

[Dostoevsky]

understandable, but as king Ale suggested, when a team needs to address so many other areas of the field, it's necessary to sign quality free agents, even if they are only short-term fixes, to save money considering Juve will not have enough money to buy world class players for all their needs.

Plus, there aren't many younger midfielder who would have the quality of Pirlo, and even if you were to find one, he would cost a fortune, most likely, not to mention that right now Juve, not playing in CL, is probably not as attractive an option as say Real, Chelski, ManU etc.

Yeah, I do agree with that theory.

Still, I'll judge this move when I see other transfers. It might look good now, but if we sign Ziegler, Pazienza and some other mediocre players then this transfer would be terrible as he'd be surrounded by brainless players pretty much.

 

[.zero]

I know he'll provide such.

I just hate the fact that we're relying on 32yo Pirlo to solve our regista problem since 2006. Just another short term solution. Even if he's capable of playing 2 more years at high level, it's not much really. Then we have to go through all of this again.

Exactly my point

 

[Osman]

If it wasn't a 3 year deal we weren't gonna sign him at all.
Pirlo is the best player we signed after Calciopoli. One of the rare good transfers we made. I know there are cons too and I know we're very sensitive lately, but this is a good transfer.

Indeed, only concern is how short term it is (we are in a stage we need to build a team for the somewhat bleak future), and possibly misusing him (I would say injuries too, but he is not injury prone, just an injury risk like most players).

 

[Alen]

Still, I'll judge this move when I see other transfers. It might look good now, but if we sign Ziegler, Pazienza and some other mediocre players then this transfer would be terrible as he'd be surrounded by brainless players pretty much.

That goes for almost every player, Dule.
And if the above happens it will simply mean that we have no money. The hope, though, is that we finally learned the mistake and instead of buying 5-6 Pepe's, Iaquinta's and Martinez's every year, spending 60m eur on them, we will go for 2 world class players. Since we need like 5-7 starters it's impossible to buy them all and it's better to buy 2 world class+free agents than buy 5-6 Pepe's as we used to do.

 

[king Ale]

Don't know if you're following news, but we're chasing out-of-contract Ziegler to solve our problems at the left side. I guess that's why we 'saved' money on Pirlo's move.

You don't need to be sarcastic, it's not me who is chasing out-of-contract Ziegler. If we are to spend our money on a completely useless transfer like Aguero instead of strengthening our defense, it means that we were not going to sign a midfielder anyways. In that case too, signing Pirlo is still a good move.

 

[adriano_c]

getting Poulsen because we couldn't get Xabi.

It's been stated a few times by Secco that Ranieri actually opted for Poulsen rather than Alonso, I believe; suggestive that the deal was very doable.

 

[acmilan]

Yeah, I do agree with that theory.

Still, I'll judge this move when I see other transfers. It might look good now, but if we sign Ziegler, Pazienza and some other mediocre players then this transfer would be terrible as he'd be surrounded by brainless players pretty much.

that would hardly be Pirlo's fault then ... still, which would you prefer: Pirlo+brainless players or brainless player+more brainless players

you have to remember that right now it would be difficult for Juve to attaract high-profile names and that's not just for lack of enough money reasons but because big-name players means interest from clubs like those mentioned above and not many big players would chose Juve now over the other clubs.

So, unless you guy pull a miracle and get a relatively unknown player, who will somehow turn out to be the next Zidane or whatever, your best bet for getting quality reinforcements are cheap, proven veterans like Pirlo even if they are short-term solutions.

 

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[Dostoevsky]

You don't need to be sarcastic, it's not me who is chasing out-of-contract Ziegler. If we are to spend our money on a completely useless transfer like Aguero instead of strengthening our defense, it means that we were not going to sign a midfielder anyways. In that case too, signing Pirlo is still a good move.

I was not being sarcastic at all. I was only implying how it makes less sense if we're not spending any money on fullbacks, but rather getting all freebies.

That goes for almost every player, Dule.
And if the above happens it will simply mean that we have no money. The hope, though, is that we finally learned the mistake and instead of buying 5-6 Pepe's, Iaquinta's and Martinez's every year, spending 60m eur on them, we will go for 2 world class players. Since we need like 5-7 starters it's impossible to buy them all and it's better to buy 2 world class+free agents than buy 5-6 Pepe's as we used to do.

Then why don't we sign some regista for 9mln and offer him 1mln for wages?

If we don't have money that is, since Pirlo's transfer fee might be 0 but his wages/taxes are gonna hit the bank for at least 18mln euros.