A perfect illustration of how tuz is undervalue juvenuts players with no reason at all. Something from Hists bag of tricks.
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No, sadly it's not an invalid statement objectively.
Our mid if certainly below : real Madrid, Barcelona with Iniesta, and possibly city.
Then there's atletico Madrid, bayern and psg, and then the likes of Tottenham, liverpool, United and so on.
Fact is our mid couldn't even defeat Tottenham's
so it's fair to say they are on par in the very least.
So what does that tell us? Surely it's not a stretch to say that our mid is barely top 10 considering how many of many of similar and better quality ones.
Our mid if certainly below : real Madrid, Barcelona with Iniesta, and possibly city.
Then there's atletico Madrid, bayern and psg, and then the likes of Tottenham, liverpool, United and so on.
Fact is our mid couldn't even defeat Tottenham's
so it's fair to say they are on par in the very least. So what does that tell us? Surely it's not a stretch to say that our mid is barely top 10 considering how many of many of similar and better quality ones.
depends on what you consider midfield I guess, because D.Costa f.e. could (and I guess even should) be considered a mid in standard Juve 433/442 set-up and that guy clearly was on fire 2nd part of season.
if we're talking about central midfield specifically, I'd say Can will decide whether our midfield is top 10 in Europe or not. most of us, including me, haven't seen him a lot and it's hard to predict how well he'll do, so I won't try to rate us against the likes of Roma, PSG, Seville, Chelsea or Manchester United, but I think we're closer to them then we are to the big 3 in Spain, Bayern, Man City or Tottenham when it comes to central midfield.
if we're talking about central midfield specifically, I'd say Can will decide whether our midfield is top 10 in Europe or not. most of us, including me, haven't seen him a lot and it's hard to predict how well he'll do, so I won't try to rate us against the likes of Roma, PSG, Seville, Chelsea or Manchester United, but I think we're closer to them then we are to the big 3 in Spain, Bayern, Man City or Tottenham when it comes to central midfield.
so you'd say Can-Pjanič-Matuidi or Can-Pjanič, depending on the set-up, is among the top midfields in Europe? I can get that some people think that, I just don't think you get to facepalm people who don't 
Pjanic - top 3-4 creative CM in the world.
Matuidi - locked in starter in WC winner, not some fucking Tolisso or some another flavor of month player.
Can - big, physicall CM. Hated by some Germans here which indicates that he might be an excellent signing (see Costa). And I personally like him, he might not be a world-beater, like Casemiro is not a world-beater, but he looks like a perfect fit.
And of course, midfield doesn't operate in a vacuum. Mordic-Kroos-Casemiro wouldn't be nearly that dominant if they had fat Gonzalo upfront instead of Ronaldo.
