++ [ originally posted by Paolo_Montero ] ++
OK then, lets take a look at those goals in depth shall we. Now I know for a fact that in the EPl, many people use the argument against Henry that he only scores against the weaker sides. A fair point you might say, lets compare it with dp.
Siena - weak
Reggina - weak
Lecce - Doing alright but awful defence
Atalanta - weak
Siena again - weak
Maccabi - weak
Then we come to AS Roma. Well firstly one of them was a penalty. At the end of the day a penalty is a penalty. He is an awesome penalty taker no doubt BUT.. its still only a penalty. You can't go banging on about him because he's scored a penalty. Oh and by the way Roma are bloody AWFUL this season! So he must deserve huge congrats for managing to score one from open play against them too :thumb:
As for Bayern Munich, well its 50% Zlatan brilliant and 50% outrageous blooper by Kahn, very little credit can go to the finish because it was very weak and should have easily been dealt with.
Now thats your post well and truly obliterated lets forget about goals and concentrate on his attributes. What made dp a phenomenal player, perhaps the world's best in the mid 90's? Why was he so good? Well he was never overly fast IIRC, never that powerful.. what was it? Well
a) Skillful
b) Intelligent player
c) AWESOME fk specialist
d) very good finisher
e) good team player
Now looking at that list, I've no doubts he's still an intelligent footballer (and person probably but thats beside the point) - however the others are simply not true. He is a liability to the team - Zlatan and Zala are much better together. He doesn't appear to have any skills in his locker save the ultra-predictable ones that even Jamie Carragher can read. He hasn't scored a proper freekick in eons, his shot power is equivalent to that of an elderly woman with two left feet, and physically, he's an absolute pitiful specimen. He can't match ANYONE for strength and never seems to make an impression againt even half decent defences.
He's past his best, way past his best in fact and the sooner people can admit that then these pointless debates can be over with and we can discuss more important matters like Buffon's hair.
In this Case Henry,Ronaldo,Eto goals aint perfect, because most of the teams they face, got awful defence..Shall i consider/take it this way??
I really can't see the WEAK thing your talking about, they're already a Goal, weather it was Luck or good work by Zlatan or watever, It's Goal, you need a player to Score, right? and Dp is doing it, i don't see why we should argue about it.
About the Roma thing........Well you got Legend of Players who can't take a PK, in a derby like Roma-Juve, you said it, he's on of the best Penalty takers around the world,
aint this a positiv thing ????
And about Roma being AWFUL this season as you mentioned, when there is a match like Juventus-Roma, there is no AWFUL, it's derby, the 2teams give more then what they are capable off...
As For Bayern game, I always thought ( 1hand can't clap ) you know....I wouldn't come up and argue if it was Zlatan the one who scored, I'd be damn happy, because goals are never easy....So I Praise Dp on this goal unlike the others...
Now at that List you made, Dp still can A,B,D,E...I admit he's not the Freekicker we had couple of years ago..
I can never agree with you on Zlatan-Zala, the latter cant be compared to Dp. Ok we all know Zala has improved alot, and even I wish we could start him in the startin 11 because he's having some great moments, But still you would prefer a player like Dp who can Dribble, Create alot of thing, Team Work ( No Selfishness ), and the thing that prove this is that we still fighting on Two things CL,Serie A, I know Emerson,Zlatan,Camoranesi,Cannavaro,Zambo are doing soo Well, but overall the team is doing good with Dp..
Now another point i have here, is that all of you, wait for tinny mistake from Dp just to judge him and bash him, while if it was Trezeguet,Zlatan,Zalayeta, i bet i wouldn't be seeing your posts here, while you all wait on fire for Dp to make a mistake, which is not good at all, we all know he's not the player he used to be,
but no one can deny he's Juve material.