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May 4, 2004
11,622
#82
++ [ originally posted by Don Bes ] ++



taping in the one against bayern must have been tough after zlatan made a joke of their defenders.


azurri dude i am sorry to say but you just dont get it
haha i remember that one... Zlatan... what a genius!
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,439
#83
++ [ originally posted by Don Bes ] ++




taping in the one against bayern must have been tough after zlatan made a joke of their defenders.


azurri dude i am sorry to say but you just dont get it
It was a goal because of Kahn, not because of Zlatan.
 

JCK

Biased
JCK
May 11, 2004
125,414
#85
No Andy, you don't get it it was ahn who was telling the defenders to move for Zlatan but Del Piero tapped it in in the end and no one, not a single Juventus fan gave the credit for Kahn, the poor guy
 

Azzurri7

Pinturicchio
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Dec 16, 2003
72,691
#86
++ [ originally posted by Don Bes ] ++




taping in the one against bayern must have been tough after zlatan made a joke of their defenders.


azurri dude i am sorry to say but you just dont get it
I know the goal came from Zlatan, but am talking about the 3points he gave us that day, although the thanks goes to Zlatan, But don't forget Dp is also a striker, he waits for these kind of balls, just like any other player with his style.
 

Tom

The DJ
Oct 30, 2001
11,726
#88
++ [ originally posted by azzurri7 ] ++


I'd like to see you opening your mouth, after Dp Scored alot of Important goals this Season,

1-3points against Siena, which Kept us with Milan.

2-The Roma Home game goal, ( Remmber what a shot, or you can't )

3- The Roma Away Penalty, ( You would be really dumb to think Penalty is an easy thing to take )

4- The Bayern ( 3points )

5- Maccabi ( Almost our 1st lost in the 1st Round, but Dp saved us )

6- Juve Vs Lecce, another 3points

7- Juventus Vs Atalanta, did you watch this game???

8- Juventus Vs Reggina, 3points,

9- Vs Siena, 2 goals , one of them with the backheel...

Now i can understand that you dislike the Captain, but next time try to be honest, i read some other posts and i notice they were juss BS, no offence.
OK then, lets take a look at those goals in depth shall we. Now I know for a fact that in the EPl, many people use the argument against Henry that he only scores against the weaker sides. A fair point you might say, lets compare it with dp.

Siena - weak
Reggina - weak
Lecce - Doing alright but awful defence
Atalanta - weak
Siena again - weak
Maccabi - weak

Then we come to AS Roma. Well firstly one of them was a penalty. At the end of the day a penalty is a penalty. He is an awesome penalty taker no doubt BUT.. its still only a penalty. You can't go banging on about him because he's scored a penalty. Oh and by the way Roma are bloody AWFUL this season! So he must deserve huge congrats for managing to score one from open play against them too :thumb:

As for Bayern Munich, well its 50% Zlatan brilliant and 50% outrageous blooper by Kahn, very little credit can go to the finish because it was very weak and should have easily been dealt with.

Now thats your post well and truly obliterated lets forget about goals and concentrate on his attributes. What made dp a phenomenal player, perhaps the world's best in the mid 90's? Why was he so good? Well he was never overly fast IIRC, never that powerful.. what was it? Well

a) Skillful
b) Intelligent player
c) AWESOME fk specialist
d) very good finisher
e) good team player

Now looking at that list, I've no doubts he's still an intelligent footballer (and person probably but thats beside the point) - however the others are simply not true. He is a liability to the team - Zlatan and Zala are much better together. He doesn't appear to have any skills in his locker save the ultra-predictable ones that even Jamie Carragher can read. He hasn't scored a proper freekick in eons, his shot power is equivalent to that of an elderly woman with two left feet, and physically, he's an absolute pitiful specimen. He can't match ANYONE for strength and never seems to make an impression againt even half decent defences.

He's past his best, way past his best in fact and the sooner people can admit that then these pointless debates can be over with and we can discuss more important matters like Buffon's hair.
 
Jan 7, 2004
29,703
#89
++ [ originally posted by azzurri7 ] ++


I know the goal came from Zlatan, but am talking about the 3points he gave us that day, although the thanks goes to Zlatan, But don't forget Dp is also a striker, he waits for these kind of balls, just like any other player with his style.

how can you say that DP gave us 3 points. there were 10 other people there
 
Jun 7, 2003
3,499
#91
++ [ originally posted by Paolo_Montero ] ++




As for Bayern Munich, well its 50% Zlatan brilliant and 50% outrageous blooper by Kahn, very little credit can go to the finish because it was very weak and should have easily been dealt with.
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But fact is that DP made the goal. Zlatan was genius but without DP it wouldnt be a goal.

And behind every goal are other players.
 

Azzurri7

Pinturicchio
Moderator
Dec 16, 2003
72,691
#92
++ [ originally posted by Jeeks ] ++
DP is not a striker
Trezeguet is a striker
Batistuta is a striker
Inzaghi is a striker
I didn't meant Dp is a striker like Trezeguet, but many Players with Dp style can wait for these kind of mistakes ( Bayern ), So i don't see the bad thing in waiting anymistake from a goal-keeper specially Kahn, If Dp wasn't there, for sure there was no danger on Oliver.
 

JCK

Biased
JCK
May 11, 2004
125,414
#93
++ [ originally posted by Paolo_Montero ] ++


a) Skillful
b) Intelligent player
c) AWESOME fk specialist
d) very good finisher
e) good team player

Now looking at that list, I've no doubts he's still an intelligent footballer (and person probably but thats beside the point) - however the others are simply not true. He is a liability to the team - Zlatan and Zala are much better together. He doesn't appear to have any skills in his locker save the ultra-predictable ones that even Jamie Carragher can read. He hasn't scored a proper freekick in eons, his shot power is equivalent to that of an elderly woman with two left feet, and physically, he's an absolute pitiful specimen. He can't match ANYONE for strength and never seems to make an impression againt even half decent defences.

He's past his best, way past his best in fact and the sooner people can admit that then these pointless debates can be over with and we can discuss more important matters like Buffon's hair.
:bow:
 

Azzurri7

Pinturicchio
Moderator
Dec 16, 2003
72,691
#94
++ [ originally posted by Paolo_Montero ] ++


OK then, lets take a look at those goals in depth shall we. Now I know for a fact that in the EPl, many people use the argument against Henry that he only scores against the weaker sides. A fair point you might say, lets compare it with dp.

Siena - weak
Reggina - weak
Lecce - Doing alright but awful defence
Atalanta - weak
Siena again - weak
Maccabi - weak

Then we come to AS Roma. Well firstly one of them was a penalty. At the end of the day a penalty is a penalty. He is an awesome penalty taker no doubt BUT.. its still only a penalty. You can't go banging on about him because he's scored a penalty. Oh and by the way Roma are bloody AWFUL this season! So he must deserve huge congrats for managing to score one from open play against them too :thumb:

As for Bayern Munich, well its 50% Zlatan brilliant and 50% outrageous blooper by Kahn, very little credit can go to the finish because it was very weak and should have easily been dealt with.

Now thats your post well and truly obliterated lets forget about goals and concentrate on his attributes. What made dp a phenomenal player, perhaps the world's best in the mid 90's? Why was he so good? Well he was never overly fast IIRC, never that powerful.. what was it? Well

a) Skillful
b) Intelligent player
c) AWESOME fk specialist
d) very good finisher
e) good team player

Now looking at that list, I've no doubts he's still an intelligent footballer (and person probably but thats beside the point) - however the others are simply not true. He is a liability to the team - Zlatan and Zala are much better together. He doesn't appear to have any skills in his locker save the ultra-predictable ones that even Jamie Carragher can read. He hasn't scored a proper freekick in eons, his shot power is equivalent to that of an elderly woman with two left feet, and physically, he's an absolute pitiful specimen. He can't match ANYONE for strength and never seems to make an impression againt even half decent defences.

He's past his best, way past his best in fact and the sooner people can admit that then these pointless debates can be over with and we can discuss more important matters like Buffon's hair.

In this Case Henry,Ronaldo,Eto goals aint perfect, because most of the teams they face, got awful defence..Shall i consider/take it this way??

I really can't see the WEAK thing your talking about, they're already a Goal, weather it was Luck or good work by Zlatan or watever, It's Goal, you need a player to Score, right? and Dp is doing it, i don't see why we should argue about it.



About the Roma thing........Well you got Legend of Players who can't take a PK, in a derby like Roma-Juve, you said it, he's on of the best Penalty takers around the world, aint this a positiv thing ????

And about Roma being AWFUL this season as you mentioned, when there is a match like Juventus-Roma, there is no AWFUL, it's derby, the 2teams give more then what they are capable off...

As For Bayern game, I always thought ( 1hand can't clap ) you know....I wouldn't come up and argue if it was Zlatan the one who scored, I'd be damn happy, because goals are never easy....So I Praise Dp on this goal unlike the others...

Now at that List you made, Dp still can A,B,D,E...I admit he's not the Freekicker we had couple of years ago..

I can never agree with you on Zlatan-Zala, the latter cant be compared to Dp. Ok we all know Zala has improved alot, and even I wish we could start him in the startin 11 because he's having some great moments, But still you would prefer a player like Dp who can Dribble, Create alot of thing, Team Work ( No Selfishness ), and the thing that prove this is that we still fighting on Two things CL,Serie A, I know Emerson,Zlatan,Camoranesi,Cannavaro,Zambo are doing soo Well, but overall the team is doing good with Dp..

Now another point i have here, is that all of you, wait for tinny mistake from Dp just to judge him and bash him, while if it was Trezeguet,Zlatan,Zalayeta, i bet i wouldn't be seeing your posts here, while you all wait on fire for Dp to make a mistake, which is not good at all, we all know he's not the player he used to be, but no one can deny he's Juve material.
 

Azzurri7

Pinturicchio
Moderator
Dec 16, 2003
72,691
#95
++ [ originally posted by Don Bes ] ++



how can you say that DP gave us 3 points. there were 10 other people there
Oh c'mon, i didn't mean the way you got it, when i said 3points i meant the goal pal....
 
Jan 7, 2004
29,703
#96
++ [ originally posted by azzurri7 ] ++


Oh c'mon, i didn't mean the way you got it, when i said 3points i meant the goal pal....


you talk the same bullshit every single time. you sound like Del Piero is the next best thing that came to juventus since the 93 CL
 

- vOnAm -

Senior Member
Jul 22, 2004
3,779
#98
About the bayern goal thing, u could say that if we had Salas for DP's plac that night, he probably would have scored, anybody could have.

But DP is still playing good football, and I can't compare him to Zalayeta. Zalayeta relies on strenght alone, although he is more intelligent in using it now.

I think if DP is playing the way he is now and he is still 27, no doubt I would keep him, but again its just a matter of regeneration.
 

Desmond

Senior Member
Jul 12, 2002
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I'm not going to refute those comments Tom,but don't you think that was just a little too much?

I mean,if our top scorer this season is THAT bad,imagine the standard of the league we must be playing in...
 

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