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whateverr

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Jun 16, 2009
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The diamond formation is reliant on very good fullbacks...We have such weak players in those positions it makes one think how on earth can they expect the team to challenge on all fronts...It just isn't conceivable.
 

JBF

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Aug 5, 2006
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Well our Full back are mediocre and we only have one player who can play as a wing so literally speaking our sides suck. With the current formation we don't ahve width in our attacking game and our backline have open windows.
You're right...and that was pretty obvious in our last 2 games (Villareal and Aston Villa).We are pretty predictable in offense and shaky in defending wing-attacks.
 

Hust

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Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,703
You are lost.....here I'll spell it out for you since you seem unable to understand 'complex' posts. 'Everyone can spend 50 millions (when in possession of such an amount) ...I would have thought the second part goes without saying but I suppose in your case...it does not.

I'm not the one that is lost apparently, not after your last few pages of posts. Your own mind is complex enough. Let me know what you think of Caceres since we didn't buy him for his versatility including RB which you said we didn't buy any wingbacks. Also, let me know if your fun little argument still stands when teams are struggling to break through our midfield of Melo, Sissoko, Poulsen and Marchisio along with Chiellini, Canna and Buffon...wait I forgot Zebina and Caceres. Yep, that to me looks like a pretty weak defensive lineup...I think you're own to something


:sergio:
 

Hust

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Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,703
The diamond formation is reliant on very good fullbacks...We have such weak players in those positions it makes one think how on earth can they expect the team to challenge on all fronts...It just isn't conceivable.
We aren't as weak as you are making it sound and challenging on all fronts is quite conceivable. You have little faith.
 

JBF

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Aug 5, 2006
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I'm not the one that is lost apparently, not after your last few pages of posts. Your own mind is complex enough. Let me know what you think of Caceres since we didn't buy him for his versatility including RB which you said we didn't buy any wingbacks. Also, let me know if your fun little argument still stands when teams are struggling to break through our midfield of Melo, Sissoko, Poulsen and Marchisio along with Chiellini, Canna and Buffon...wait I forgot Zebina and Caceres. Yep, that to me looks like a pretty weak defensive lineup...I think you're own to something
Another :sergio: for you Hustini and it has nothing to do with pay-back.
 

Hust

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Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,703
You're right...and that was pretty obvious in our last 2 games (Villareal and Aston Villa).We are pretty predictable in offense and shaky in defending wing-attacks.
Let's go back to the 442, that way people won't complain about our lack of defensive coverage as much, rather an aged/injury prone Camo and a out of position Gio and a waste of 25m in Diego. We were much more predictable then that we are now, lets be honest about that.
 

whateverr

Junior Member
Jun 16, 2009
265
I'm not the one that is lost apparently, not after your last few pages of posts. Your own mind is complex enough. Let me know what you think of Caceres since we didn't buy him for his versatility including RB which you said we didn't buy any wingbacks. Also, let me know if your fun little argument still stands when teams are struggling to break through our midfield of Melo, Sissoko, Poulsen and Marchisio along with Chiellini, Canna and Buffon...wait I forgot Zebina and Caceres. Yep, that to me looks like a pretty weak defensive lineup...I think you're own to something




:sergio:
First of all if that comment is supposed to be an insult then I'd just like to point out that it makes no sense whatsoever...a bit like your previous comment regarding the '50 million' quote.

Secondly i hope you are right, I sure hope our midfield stops all attacks left and right and middle. I hope Chiellini, Cannavaro and whoever plays as fullbacks are amazing and stop most players in their tracks. However until they show any sort of abilities which tells me we are capable of winning the league or the CL..until then I think you are living in fantasy land if you think we have a good defence capable of winning anything.

P.S Talking about Cacares who has just arrived, who was even considered a backup to Toure as a CB and who in his first match was caught out of position 3 times...makes no sense. We still have to see what he is capable of...
 

JBF

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Aug 5, 2006
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We were much more predictable then that we are now, lets be honest about that.
You're right about that but still this doesnt do us any good if we are seriously considering a challenge for both CL and Scuedetto...we'll only have the gap between us and Inter reduced a bit while in the big matches especially in the CL we'll look weak.
 

Mark

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Dec 19, 2003
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is adriano really SO good though?i really doubt about it...
He's better than our current fullbacks that's for sure. We can't get Evra, Cole, Clichy...Great LB's are rare and we should go for the next big thing. Adriano, Filipe, Kolarov or Obradovic would be my picks.
 

Hust

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Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,703
First of all if that comment is supposed to be an insult then I'd just like to point out that it makes no sense whatsoever...a bit like your previous comment regarding the '50 million' quote.

Secondly i hope you are right, I sure hope our midfield stops all attacks left and right and middle. I hope Chiellini, Cannavaro and whoever plays as fullbacks are amazing and stop most players in their tracks. However until they show any sort of abilities which tells me we are capable of winning the league or the CL..until then I think you are living in fantasy land if you think we have a good defence capable of winning anything.

P.S Talking about Cacares who has just arrived, who was even considered a backup to Toure as a CB and who in his first match was caught out of position 3 times...makes no sense. We still have to see what he is capable of...



Reread verbatim what you comment said. "Everyone can spend 50 million on two players".

How can you blame him for the 4 goals? I really hope you aren't....

haha even Maicon makes mistakes dude, no one is perfect so you should stop expecting us to have the best backline. We are just a handful of friendlies into the season and you are over analyzing a bad game and forgetting the few good ones we had. Why don't you bash our offense for squandering chances against Aston Villa and at least keep your arguments somewhat legit instead of always jumping on the bandwagon and blaming the defense.
 

Hust

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Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,703
You're right about that but still this doesnt do us any good if we are seriously considering a challenge for both CL and Scuedetto...we'll only have the gap between us and Inter reduced a bit while in the big matches especially in the CL we'll look weak.
I guess beating Real 3 times in a row is a small feat not to mention seriously challenging and winning against the big teams in italy for the last two years. Our problems have been trying to unlock the small teams and giving away stupid points against teams that "on paper" we should easily beat, now we have players (rather individuals) that can make a huge difference in those games NOT TO MENTION the big ones.
 

whateverr

Junior Member
Jun 16, 2009
265
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Reread verbatim what you comment said. "Everyone can spend 50 million on two players".

How can you blame him for the 4 goals? I really hope you aren't....

haha even Maicon makes mistakes dude, no one is perfect so you should stop expecting us to have the best backline. We are just a handful of friendlies into the season and you are over analyzing a bad game and forgetting the few good ones we had. Why don't you bash our offense for squandering chances against Aston Villa and at least keep your arguments somewhat legit instead of always jumping on the bandwagon and blaming the defense.
I'm not going to spend all day explaning posts to you..i tried to be patient but seriously how can you not understand that the '50 million' comment applies to Juve and whoever is in charge of its transfers (seeing as this is the context we are talking about) and not some lower team that can't spend 50 million?

As for Cacares he got caught out of position 3 times (not all connected to goals)...How does this translate to me blaming him for 4 goals?...if there ever was a time where this :sergio: smiley is applicable I think this might be it. You seem incapable of processing what has been written while making deductions of your own. And lastly no one is talking about the forwards why are you even talking about them?
 

JBF

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Aug 5, 2006
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I guess beating Real 3 times in a row is a small feat not to mention seriously challenging and winning against the big teams in italy for the last two years. Our problems have been trying to unlock the small teams and giving away stupid points against teams that "on paper" we should easily beat, now we have players (rather individuals) that can make a huge difference in those games NOT TO MENTION the big ones.
Refresh my memory please will you...what was the result of our last 2 encounters with the eventual champions Inter last season and what kind of humiliating performance we had at the San Siro last season as well! and what about Lazio who managed to end last season with an impressive record against us.
 

Hust

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Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,703
I'm not going to spend all day explaning posts to you..i tried to be patient but seriously how can you not understand that the '50 million' comment applies to Juve (seeing as this is the context we are talking about) and not some lower team that can't spend 50 million?

As for Cacares he got caught out of position 3 times (not all connected to goals)...How does this translate to me blaming him for 4 goals?...if there ever was a time where this :sergio: smiley is applicable I think this might be it. You seem incapable of processing what has been written while making deductions of your own. And lastly no one is talking about the forwards why are you even talking about them?
You wouldn't have to explain your posts to anyone if they made sense.

What you don't seem to understand, even the best teams with the best defenders get scored on. That includes up to but not limited to these "great" defenders getting caught out of position on multiple occasions. Hell, even Buffon gets caught out of position. What about Chiellini when he makes a silly foul or stupid error? It is so easy to blame an area when more things go into a goal that just a defender getting caught out of position. I don't think you ever take that into consideration because it is so easy for you to join in the anti-defense chorus.

If I had a "head up my ass picture" that might do some justice in describing some of your posts.

I was talking about forwards because the last time I check a team loses with 11, not 4 defenders which you seem so passionate about degrading. Again, if you don't take into account the fact that with 4 defenders and a goalie there are still another 6 players out there (most of the time) that may make mistakes that could turn into an unexpected counter attack or whateverrr....

All you see is the ball going into the next but you don't take the time to actually analyze how the entire play happened leading up to the goal and who made the initial mistake(s). Again, for you its so easy to just point at the defense.
 

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