Alessio Secco (28 Viewers)

[whateverr]

Well you can't really expect a club like Juve to make more money from sales than the money we pay for new players and wages.

We're not Udinese.

And maybe we could've done that if Calciopoli didn't hit us. Our team would've been strong and we could sell Zlatan this summer and get lots of cash. But after Calciopoli we didn't have such players (maybe Buffon, but i'm glad we didn't sell him) and it's normal that we pay more for new players than what we get from the sold players.

In terms of turnover we are making a bit more than the year before Calciopoli which has more to do with marketing, tv rights etc. (which Blanc is in charge of) Noone is talking about selling players to those fees because they are not world class however if we want to win trophies we can't be buying players just so that we can make small profits. We are taking enough money in to aim higher now..and also the players sold have been let go too easily and at very low transfer fees.

 

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[JBF]

We are making a profit.

Can you not understand that?

 

[The Curr]

In terms of turnover we are making a bit more than the year before Calciopoli which has more to do with marketing, tv rights etc. (which Blanc is in charge of) Noone is talking about selling players to those fees because they are not world class however if we want to win trophies we can't be buying players just so that we can make small profits. We are taking enough money in to aim higher now..

Who says we are buying players just so we can sell them and make small profits?

 

[Cheesio]

One of the reasons that i never rated Secco (and probably never will) is the fact that he always prefer to take the easiest solution out.

The Poulsen-zanetti situation is the perfect example here. Everyone knows that we want to sell poulsen which makes perfect sence : high salary, if sold will get us in atleast 6-7 mil thats four times the money they'll get from selling zanetti plus he's not really needed in the team with Melo's arrival.

they couldn't sell him so the next easiest move is to sell zanetti instead for almost nothing (1.5 mil euros ). Last season we did the same, tried to buy alonso couldn't get him and instead went for poulsen (a player we absalutely didn't need) yet we paid almost 10 mil euros and gave him a ridicolous wage of 3 mil a year and now they're stoked with him.

spending 50 mil euros on two players is never an achievement IMO, its just a money that was made available to the man (thanks to our staff + players and management's hards work).

everyone is entitled to their own opinion and thats my honest opinion on the guy.

well said

 

[whateverr]

Who says we are buying players just so we can sell them and make small profits?

...Mellberg, Marchioni, Zanetti have all been sold to make capital gains from their original transfers....it's pretty clear listening to Gigli's interviews and other statements by the club and Elkan...maybe listen to them once in a while.

 

[The Curr]

...Mellberg, Marchioni, Zanetti have all been sold to make capital gains from their original transfers....it's pretty clear listening to Gigli's interviews and other statements by the clubs and Elkan.

We did not buy those players in order to sell them and make a profit.

Surely everyone can now understand why Zanetti left.

Mellberg was a free transfer (a very good bit of business by Secco) so of course we were going to make a profit if we sold him for a fee. That is not why we signed him though.

Marchionni was signed because he had played very well at Parma. He was here for three years, didn't prove himself, and was then sold because we are switching to a formation where he will be of no use.

 

[whateverr]

We did not buy those players in order to sell them and make a profit.

Surely everyone can now understand why Zanetti left.

Mellberg was a free transfer (a very good bit of business by Secco) so of course we were going to make a profit if we sold him for a fee. That is not why we signed him though.

Marchionni was signed because he had played very well at Parma. He was here for three years, didn't prove himself, and was then sold because we are switching to a formation where he will be of no use.

It's exactly the point made here....he was sold to make capital gains seeing as his contract would end the following year. And mainly because they could not get rid of Poulsen who is costing them 1 million more in wages...To make gains they had to sell a good player to keep a Serie B one.

Marchioni was sold for 4.5 million...and the reason for such a low fee was Almiron and Poulesn but also mainly to do with the fact that they need to make some profits seeing as they also got him for free. In the Juve books he will show as a 'plusvalenza'.

Mellberg was bought last year for free and sold immediately the next year and we got Cannavaro in his place for free...If you don't think all these transfers have been done to make small capital gains...and I mean small....than I don't know what to add.

You might also listen to some Elkan interviews about how he percieves Juve doing business in comparison with how Moggi did business..

 

[v1rtu4l]

Marchionni was signed because he had played very well at Parma. He was here for three years, didn't prove himself, and was then sold because we are switching to a formation where he will be of no use.

i still do not quite understand why we did not build a team around marchionni so he can flourish again !

 

[The Curr]

It's exactly the point made here....he was sold to make capital gains seeing as his contract would end the following year. And mainly because they could not get rid of Poulsen who is costing them 1 million more in wages...To make gains they had to sell a good player to keep a Serie B one.

That is not why he was sold. Read what Zanetti and Ciro have said.

Are you calling Poulsen a Serie B player?

As for the rest of your post, we are never going to agree.

 

[whateverr]

That is not why he was sold. Read what Zanetti and Ciro have said.

Are you calling Poulsen a Serie B player?

As for the rest of your post, we are never going to agree.

And that is why we are talking about the main reason not the the 'only' reason. Of course Zanetti had a say but if Juve wanted to keep him they could. He was sold mainly to accomodate Poulsen's wages (seeing as they couldn't get rid of him) and also to make capital gains on his original transfer.

and learn not to take things so literaly about Poulsen...people including me have run out of adjective to describe him.

 

[Juventinoo]

i don't wanna argue a lot in Secco, but i think the business done by him to get Diego and Melo is just a masterpiece and both of them are in the right time....

for Diego, it's well understand, if we are late little in the deal try to lower the price, we could easily lose him for inflated prices tagged on him because of Real transfer policy and all of us knows that very well. Beside that we beat the competition from Bayern and Inter. Another minor thing, we paid only the first installment of 15mil. Really this is a masterpiece of a business considering all these circumstances.


As for Melo, Also it came on the right time, Viola put 25mil in order to any one to take him, Arsenal was playing around and can't beat us, but the dangerous thing is that, Real was looking for a pass master like him and liverpool also isn't yet prepared to lose Alonso, imagine Real didn't got Alonso, Melo would go for them and liverpool easily could go for Melo instead on the injury prone, Mr. Aquilani, and what, imagine we sign Aquilani instead of Melo!!!. Melo is another master piece of a business and really in the right time with 10mil the first installment.

keep it up Secco and Zanitti is 32 years and prone to injury and i think poulsen is better alternative to Sissoko when injured or will travel to Africa competition,

 

[Alen]

1. He was sold mainly to accomodate Poulsen's wages (seeing as they couldn't get rid of him) and also to

2. make capital gains on his original transfer.

# 1 is true i believe. That was one of the main, if not the main reason for deciding to let him go.

# 2..... i'm not sure. Just like Marchionni, Zanetti was bought before Calciopoli (as a free transfer in January 2006, but joined Juve in June) so every financial detail before Calciopoli is useless.
We start from 0 after Calciopoli.
Going by the logic to make capital gains, we can easily sell Buffon now because his 45-50m eur purchase has nothing to do with the finances after Calciopoli.

 

[whateverr]

# 1 is true i believe. That was one of the main, if not the main reason for deciding to let him go.

# 2..... i'm not sure. Just like Marchionni, Zanetti was bought before Calciopoli (as a free transfer in January 2006, but joined Juve in June) so every financial detail before Calciopoli is useless.
We start from 0 after Calciopoli.
Going by the logic to make capital gains, we can easily sell Buffon now because his 45-50m eur purchase has nothing to do with the finances after Calciopoli.

Actually on the balance sheets they still show as capital gains regardless of when they joined the club since they are viewed as assets.

 

[Suns]

Why sign expensive players and make this new project where we are aiming for the scudetto if all of us know that we are not going to win anything with our defense? We have just signed players like Diego and Melo but they are not going to win us anything with that defense. We could have signed Messi, Ronaldo, Xavi and Iniesta and we would still end up not winning because of our defense.

Lets sign some new defenders and go for the scudetto this season instead of going a fourth year whitout winning anything.

 

[Hust]

Hmm...we bought some good players but let's not forget we didn't buy anyone to reinforce our weakest postitions...fullbacks. What is more with a 4-3-1-2 formation they become even more crucial. Don't be surprised when opposing teams keep coming from the flanks and in the process destroy our defence.

Everyone can spend 50 million on two players...it's not that difficult...but not everyone can sell Zanetti for just 2 million..

Can Treviso spend 50 million dollars on two players?

 

[C4ISR]

Why did he need to balance the books in the first place? Mainly due to his incompetence to begin with...and let's not talk about the fact that we still haven't done anything about our weakest spots..

We need to balance the books because Juventus are a traded company. Balanced books = happy shareholders = more investment.

Its an issue because its a small amount of cash so tell me why the hell cant Fiorentina pay it in cash in the same day..or tell you what why dont they just cut that amount of money form the 2nd payment of Melo's compensation?!
Simply its because Secco is too dumb to ask.

All our purchases are structured over 3 years. What difference does it make if our sales are as well? NONE!

THe official numbers have more to do with Blanc and his work in raising capital elsewhere rather than Secco...it is true some profit has been made by buying players on the free but that's not saying much. We can do that for the next 10 years and win absolutely nothing ...Also if we were to include the fees and wages of players like Almiron and Poulsen in the equation we would be here all day...

Short term sacrifice for long term gains. Our revenue has gone from €167.5m to €240m in 2 seasons. Our revenue will continue to grow as sponsors will slowly poor more money into Juve as we continue to make CL every season. Not to mention the added stadium money.

= we will have money to reinforce every summer and not have to worry about selling our star players (Milan), rely on a generous owner (Inter, Chelsea), or rely on the banks (Madrid, Man Utd, etc)

So you want the club to spend stupidly, win for a few years and then spend the next few years trying to recover from overspending?

A football club is a business and has to be properly run.

 

[whateverr]

Since when does not wanting the club to buy players just to make small profits = wanting the club to overspend and go bankrupt..? What ridiculous logic and 'deducation'...

Can Treviso spend 50 million dollars on two players?

... Do you even understand the context in which the comment is made...?

 

[Hust]

Since when does not wanting the club to buy players just to make small profits = wanting the club to overspend and go bankrupt..? What ridiculous logic and 'deducation'...



... Do you even understand the context in which the comment is made...?

Do you even understand your own context in which your own comment was made?

 

[whateverr]

Do you even understand your own context in which your own comment was made?

You are lost.....here I'll spell it out for you since you seem unable to understand 'complex' posts. 'Everyone can spend 50 millions (when in possession of such an amount) ...I would have thought the second part goes without saying but I suppose in your case...it does not.

 

[JBF]

... Do you even understand the context in which the comment is made...?

Do you even understand your own context in which your own comment was made?