Abortion, good or bad? (25 Viewers)

[Chxta]

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[Nicole]

Hmm, who will be banned first chxta or Zlatan...if you want to PM me with your bets, I am going to run a 'book' on this

 

[Chxta]

Betting starts now...

Odds
Chxta 9-1
Zlatan 1-9

 

[Zlatan]

++ [ originally posted by chxta ] ++
I will say no more on this. This fellow is as stubborn as an ass.

And you're as two-faced as a freaking tower clock.

++ [ originally posted by Nicole ] ++
Hmm, who will be banned first chxta or Zlatan...if you want to PM me with your bets, I am going to run a 'book' on this

Well, you can call it off, because I will never get banned. I've been here for a long time, and I know the boundaries, and although I might dance on them from time to time, I never cross them.

Besides, nothing I said to chxta is even remotely close to being a reason for banning, no matter how much he wants to act as a victim.

 

[Chxta]

 

[Nicole]

ffs lock the thread, this is getting old fast

 

[Chxta]

Good night Zlatan

 

[jaecole]

Chxta you really need to start putting some effort into your responses to people that challenge you.

Sure it saves hassle and time by not bothering, but don't respond at all if you want it to die. Making sarcastic and useless responses just drags things out.

 

[adams]

jaecole how's that for effort?

++ [ originally posted by chxta ] ++


You have insulted me on more than one occassion and in different posts.

Fine, let us for one second assume that I am a murderer, does it change the fact that Al Capone for example was a murderer and that I can point that out to him? If abortion is murder (and IMO it is), then even I who am a murderer in your opinion can point that out.

Yes, I stand my ground that you are narrow minded because I have time without number pointed out to you that that incident from my past was not yesterday, it was a decade ago, but you chose to judge the entire me based on that and not based on any other thing I may have done before or since.

You are narrow minded because you refuse to see the other side of the coin that the unfortunate man whom I ran over (and I am sorry to have to say this) was quite drunk and it was a case of 6 of one and half a dozen of the other.

You are narrow minded because you have refused to accept the fact that in every country that I know of (maybe bar yours) the age of 15 is a legal minor and as a result cannot end up in prison. I wasn't sent to a remand home (which according to Nigerian law is the worst that could have happened to me at the time), because yes, my parent's lawyers pointed out (correctly) that the man was very drunk at the time, and it was supported by various witnesses that he practically jumped in front of my car.

You refused to acknowledge (did you even read that far) that I was prevented from driving for a very long time because of that incident, and that I was so torn by guilt that as soon as I finished from my secondary school the following year, I joined the Army.

You chose to just focus on the fact that one sad day in 1995 when his parents travelled out of town that an over-enthusiastic 15 year old decided to take a drive and in the process committed man slaughter.

That my friend is narrow mindedness.




Like any other human being, I have my own faults, and they are plenty. But I realise that people make mistakes and move on. That we can move on is what makes us human. Learn from mistakes made, and go on.

Concerning the abortion issue once again...

I said in this thread that:
I am against abortion.
Abortion is murder.
A foetus is a living being, not an inanimate object that can be removed at will.
Abortion can be condoned for one of two reasons: when you have a rape case, or when it can be proved medically that giving birth will harm the mother.
I still believe that abortion as advocated by all the pro-abortion activists is open to abuse, and Fabiana corroborated that belief when she made a statement about someone who got pregnant, had an abortion and a month later was looking for another abortion. That is murder in every sense of the word.

That is my position. None of the pro abortion members here have been able to say anything to convince me that that position is wrong, so I am still there.

@ Dominic, I have read through the entire thread, and I have seen instances where a question put to me by someone is answered by another before I can think up an answer. So why should I in such a scenario answer? Wouldn't that be repitition?

@ Zlatan, to the people who matter to me, I am not a murderer. To you (whom I have never met), I am. So be it.

 

[jaecole]

Couldn't tell ya, didn't read it. It's long my man

 

[adams]

chxta, i will not call you a murderer. your actions were not premeditated so anyone who calls you a murder is a liar. you committed "manslaughter".

that event to me shows in no way that you are now prone to manslaughter, or reckless driving. so i believe there is nothing to worry about. if you felt guilty of the incident you sure as hell wouldnt tell people about it.

i respect you for your honesty, but at the same time you should use better judgement in such situations where people can take your honesty and good-intentions and turn them around using it as ammunition against you.

 

[Dragon]

++ [ originally posted by Nicole ] ++


She was TOLD to leave, it wasnt her choice. THAT is discrimation, seriously you dont believe that a pregnant woman is seen as a blessing, take an example of people in jobs who have to take maturnity leave, do you think their bosses are there waiting for her to have the baby, and the (i think its 6months) they are allowed off, and then to give her, her old job back? it doesnt happen that way Fabi

She can go back to college after she gives birth. Same with jobs and I believe that if you have a job and you get pregnant they cannot kick you out of the job because theres a law against it

 

[Nicole]

++ [ originally posted by fabiana ] ++


She can go back to college after she gives birth. Same with jobs and I believe that if you have a job and you get pregnant they cannot kick you out of the job because theres a law against it

There are laws against it, I cant remember what they are called, but it still actually happens alot more then you think

 

[adams]

++ [ originally posted by Nicole ] ++


There are laws against it, I cant remember what they are called, but it still actually happens alot more then you think

so that justifies abortion?

 

[Slagathor]

++ [ originally posted by mikhail ] ++
Granted, the issue is complex, but the mother's right to convenience does not, IMHO, outweigh a human right to life. Yet again, this is the fundamental difference in our positions.

True. That part of the issue, I think, is where all disagreement starts. Where do you draw then line on that one? Where does the one thing become more important than the other?

I'm glad I didn't have to make the law. I'd have gone nuts

 

[adams]

Erik your right- drawing the line is the most debatable part.

But common sense should tell you which is more drastic:

losing a job vs killing a baby

 

[Chxta]

++ [ originally posted by jaecole ] ++
Chxta you really need to start putting some effort into your responses to people that challenge you.

Sure it saves hassle and time by not bothering, but don't respond at all if you want it to die. Making sarcastic and useless responses just drags things out.

++ [ originally posted by jaecole ] ++
Couldn't tell ya, didn't read it. It's long my man

You are just a clown jae

++ [ originally posted by adams ] ++
chxta, i will not call you a murderer. your actions were not premeditated so anyone who calls you a murder is a liar. you committed "manslaughter".

that event to me shows in no way that you are now prone to manslaughter, or reckless driving. so i believe there is nothing to worry about. if you felt guilty of the incident you sure as hell wouldnt tell people about it.

i respect you for your honesty, but at the same time you should use better judgement in such situations where people can take your honesty and good-intentions and turn them around using it as ammunition against you.

Thanks for the support man. Like I said earlier, the incident was a decade ago and I have gotten over it. What pisses me is when someone keeps bringing it up and asking me why I didn't go to prison when I was evidently a minor then, but that is by the wayside...

I mentioned it in the said thread cos I felt (and still feel) that I had(ve) nothing to hide. It's something I'd tell my kids about whenever they come cos it will serve as a lesson to them. Unfortunately, Zlatan doesn't see it that way, and never will. Kinda reminds me of people who categorize all Germans as mass murderers, and believe me, there are such people out there.

 

[Zlatan]

++ [ originally posted by chxta ] ++





You are just a clown jae



Thanks for the support man. Like I said earlier, the incident was a decade ago and I have gotten over it. What pisses me is when someone keeps bringing it up and asking me why I didn't go to prison when I was evidently a minor then, but that is by the wayside...

I mentioned it in the said thread cos I felt (and still feel) that I had(ve) nothing to hide. It's something I'd tell my kids about whenever they come cos it will serve as a lesson to them. Unfortunately, Zlatan doesn't see it that way, and never will. Kinda reminds me of people who categorize all Germans as mass murderers, and believe me, there are such people out there.

I already responded to your "people like me" argument, but, of course, since it doesn't suit you you decided to skip it and pretend it isn't there.

I never said I wanted you to go to jail, all I asked is how did you pay your dues, as you said you did?

 

[Tom]

++ [ originally posted by mikhail ] ++

It hasn't gotten that bad yet! I'd rather keep a good debate open than close it because the issue is sensitive. Let's make this a caution though: please watch what you say - respect other people's position.

:thumb:

excellent, we need to keep good debates like this going - makes very interesting reading.

For the record i completely agree with just about everything that Acies has said on this matter, there's not much more to add. There is no way abortion should be made illegal, yes after x months, whenever the experts decide, but to completely make it illegal is completely wrong imo.

Another point i read somewhere the comment "I bet your an atheist aren't you.." - this was said in a derogatory manner as if people who don't believe in a set religion are inferior, this pompous and utterly ridiculous train of thought is why most debates end up in slanging matches. Cut it out, please!

 

[Zlatan]

++ [ originally posted by Paolo_Montero ] ++


Another point i read somewhere the comment "I bet your an atheist aren't you.." - this was said in a derogatory manner as if people who don't believe in a set religion are inferior, this pompous and utterly ridiculous train of thought is why most debates end up in slanging matches. Cut it out, please!

And, surprise, surprise, it was chxta who said that.