Abortion, good or bad? (4 Viewers)

Nicole

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++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++

You may not be taking the easy way out, yet others do it everyday. To encourage women to take the easy way out is also rather sick if you ask me.
As opposed to encouraging them to become teenage mums? Cause if anyone in there right mind thinks teenagers, boys and girls are going to stop having sex, your crazy.
 

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Chxta

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    ++ [ originally posted by Zlatan ] ++
    TBH, in no way did I personaly insult him.

    And another thing chxta: my "attack" on you, as you call it, is in no way irrelevant to this discussion. In fact, it is very much relevant.

    It was YOU who said abortion was murder, and it was YOU who said everyone should suffer the consequences of their actions., and hence, you opened the door for the discussion about you.


    And also: first you accuse me of being narrow minded but when I respond to your claims you chose to completely ignore my post because it does not suit you or because you dont have the answer. Either way, your shying away from the discussion and hiding behind the claims I attack you or hate you.
    You have insulted me on more than one occassion and in different posts.

    Fine, let us for one second assume that I am a murderer, does it change the fact that Al Capone for example was a murderer and that I can point that out to him? If abortion is murder (and IMO it is), then even I who am a murderer in your opinion can point that out.

    Yes, I stand my ground that you are narrow minded because I have time without number pointed out to you that that incident from my past was not yesterday, it was a decade ago, but you chose to judge the entire me based on that and not based on any other thing I may have done before or since.

    You are narrow minded because you refuse to see the other side of the coin that the unfortunate man whom I ran over (and I am sorry to have to say this) was quite drunk and it was a case of 6 of one and half a dozen of the other.

    You are narrow minded because you have refused to accept the fact that in every country that I know of (maybe bar yours) the age of 15 is a legal minor and as a result cannot end up in prison. I wasn't sent to a remand home (which according to Nigerian law is the worst that could have happened to me at the time), because yes, my parent's lawyers pointed out (correctly) that the man was very drunk at the time, and it was supported by various witnesses that he practically jumped in front of my car.

    You refused to acknowledge (did you even read that far) that I was prevented from driving for a very long time because of that incident, and that I was so torn by guilt that as soon as I finished from my secondary school the following year, I joined the Army.

    You chose to just focus on the fact that one sad day in 1995 when his parents travelled out of town that an over-enthusiastic 15 year old decided to take a drive and in the process committed man slaughter.

    That my friend is narrow mindedness.




    Like any other human being, I have my own faults, and they are plenty. But I realise that people make mistakes and move on. That we can move on is what makes us human. Learn from mistakes made, and go on.

    Concerning the abortion issue once again...

    I said in this thread that:
    I am against abortion.
    Abortion is murder.
    A foetus is a living being, not an inanimate object that can be removed at will.
    Abortion can be condoned for one of two reasons: when you have a rape case, or when it can be proved medically that giving birth will harm the mother.
    I still believe that abortion as advocated by all the pro-abortion activists is open to abuse, and Fabiana corroborated that belief when she made a statement about someone who got pregnant, had an abortion and a month later was looking for another abortion. That is murder in every sense of the word.

    That is my position. None of the pro abortion members here have been able to say anything to convince me that that position is wrong, so I am still there.

    @ Dominic, I have read through the entire thread, and I have seen instances where a question put to me by someone is answered by another before I can think up an answer. So why should I in such a scenario answer? Wouldn't that be repitition?

    @ Zlatan, to the people who matter to me, I am not a murderer. To you (whom I have never met), I am. So be it.
     

    Bjerknes

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    ++ [ originally posted by Nicole ] ++


    As opposed to encouraging them to become teenage mums? Cause if anyone in there right mind thinks teenagers, boys and girls are going to stop having sex, your crazy.
    Again, you're missing the point.
     

    Dragon

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    I wont judge a girl that gets an abortion, but I still think it shouldnt be legalized because not all the people in the World have enough education so abortion will be used in a bad way

    Having a child is a huge deal so if you dont want to 'risk your future' or whatever then dont go around ****ing whoever you see. Or if you do, at least get protected and educated about it. And if you have the 'baddest luck' and get pregnant then either keep it or give it up for adoption. Just be responsible for your acts
     

    Nicole

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    ++ [ originally posted by fabiana ] ++
    I wont judge a girl that gets an abortion, but I still think it shouldnt be legalized because not all the people in the World have enough education so abortion will be used in a bad way

    Having a child is a huge deal so if you dont want to 'risk your future' or whatever then dont go around ****ing whoever you see. Or if you do, at least get protected and educated about it. And if you have the 'baddest luck' and get pregnant then either keep it or give it up for adoption. Just be responsible for your acts
    That has its own problems, the 10 months (not 9) that you have to carry a baby, say we are talking about teenagers here, that person could be in college or something like that, like i gave an example of my friend who was made to leave college because she was pregnant. Now, obviously that doesnt happen everywhere, but it will still happen, discrimination.
     

    Dragon

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    ++ [ originally posted by Nicole ] ++


    That has its own problems, the 10 months (not 9) that you have to carry a baby, say we are talking about teenagers here, that person could be in college or something like that, like i gave an example of my friend who was made to leave college because she was pregnant. Now, obviously that doesnt happen everywhere, but it will still happen, discrimination.

    How in Gods name is that discrimination? She can still go to college while shes pregnant. Thats like if I killed someone Id say hey dont take me to jail because I still gotta finish college and I had a life planned
     
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    Chxta

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    Mikhail was right. This thread's going nowhere. Those of us anti-abortionists are sticking to our guns as are the pro-abortionists.
     

    Nicole

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    ++ [ originally posted by fabiana ] ++



    How in Gods name is that discrimination? She can still go to college while shes pregnant. Thats like if I killed someone Id say hey dont take me to jail because I still gotta finish college and I had a life planned
    She was TOLD to leave, it wasnt her choice. THAT is discrimation, seriously you dont believe that a pregnant woman is seen as a blessing, take an example of people in jobs who have to take maturnity leave, do you think their bosses are there waiting for her to have the baby, and the (i think its 6months) they are allowed off, and then to give her, her old job back? it doesnt happen that way Fabi
     

    Nicole

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    ++ [ originally posted by chxta ] ++
    Mikhail was right. This thread's going nowhere. Those of us anti-abortionists are sticking to our guns as are the pro-abortionists.
    And...most debates go a different way?
     

    Zlatan

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    ++ [ originally posted by chxta ] ++


    You have insulted me on more than one occassion and in different posts.
    Not once did I insult you. I did call you hypocritical, but I hardly see that as an insult.


    ++ [ originally posted by chxta ] ++

    Fine, let us for one second assume that I am a murderer, does it change the fact that Al Capone for example was a murderer and that I can point that out to him? If abortion is murder (and IMO it is), then even I who am a murderer in your opinion can point that out.
    You can point out that something or someone is a murderer, but you cannot demand people take responsibility and face the consequences of their actions when you did not do the same! That is hypocritical and two faced!


    ++ [ originally posted by chxta ] ++

    Yes, I stand my ground that you are narrow minded because I have time without number pointed out to you that that incident from my past was not yesterday, it was a decade ago, but you chose to judge the entire me based on that and not based on any other thing I may have done before or since.

    You are narrow minded because you refuse to see the other side of the coin that the unfortunate man whom I ran over (and I am sorry to have to say this) was quite drunk and it was a case of 6 of one and half a dozen of the other.

    You are narrow minded because you have refused to accept the fact that in every country that I know of (maybe bar yours) the age of 15 is a legal minor and as a result cannot end up in prison. I wasn't sent to a remand home (which according to Nigerian law is the worst that could have happened to me at the time), because yes, my parent's lawyers pointed out (correctly) that the man was very drunk at the time, and it was supported by various witnesses that he practically jumped in front of my car.

    Fact is had you not been there the man would most probably not have been killed, regardless of his drunkness. Does the fact that he was drunk make his life less worth than yours?

    All I have refused to acept is your statement "taht you paid your dues" because you did nothing of the sort. And another fact is that the man could not have jumped on your car had you not been driving it. And btw, how fast were you going? It takes a bit of speed to kill a man.


    ++ [ originally posted by chxta ] ++

    You refused to acknowledge (did you even read that far) that I was prevented from driving for a very long time because of that incident, and that I was so torn by guilt that as soon as I finished from my secondary school the following year, I joined the Army.
    Wow, so you were prevented from driving for a very long time? Bu-hu-hu, fact is you should have never been driving in the first place, until you were 18. I do not care you were torn by guilt, or that you joined the army, what does that have to do with anything? There were a lot of people that joined the army that did not kill anyone, and I dont think yur guilt can be compared to the pain of his family members. You did nothing to pay your dues, in no way did you pay the consequences for your crime.

    Do not try to find sympathy from me, because you will not find it.


    ++ [ originally posted by chxta ] ++


    You chose to just focus on the fact that one sad day in 1995 when his parents travelled out of town that an over-enthusiastic 15 year old decided to take a drive and in the process committed man slaughter.

    That my friend is narrow mindedness.

    I decided to focus on the fact that you did not have any consequences for your crimes, yet you demand others take responsibility. That, my friend, is hypocricy.




    ++ [ originally posted by chxta ] ++


    @ Zlatan, to the people who matter to me, I am not a murderer. To you (whom I have never met), I am. So be it.

    You are a murderer, by definition, and it does depend on mine or anyone else's opinion. Fact is, you killed a man, thus making you a murderer.
     

    jaecole

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    If I was responsible for an innocent persons death, I'm pretty sure I'd blow my head off.

    (Though don't blow your head off, then I'll have to do it :D)
     

    Zlatan

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    TBH, I do not care about the legal issue, all I have a problem with is chxta demanding people pay for their misstakes, which he clearly did not do, at all, thus making it incredibly hypocritical.
     
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    Chxta

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    I will say no more on this. This fellow is as stubborn as an ass.
     

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