Thanks John, I appreciate that.
++ [ originally posted by Zlatan ] ++
Thats an incredibly bad comparation.
I was trying to illustrate two extremes. Getting pregnant despite taking precautionary measures wouldn't be considered utter stupidity or carelessness, but I was trying to say that people need to face the consequences of their actions regardless of what they do.
++ [ originally posted by Acies ] ++
Oh please, why would it be ignorant? I know exactly why Gray is against abortion and I'm also fully aware that his opinion is pretty much indoctrinated. Definitely when the origin of his belief is christian.
Please. It's nice to have a well thought out argument when people think for you. Whether or not it's well thought out doesn't mean it can't be indoctrinated.
I'd appreciate it if you'd stop making assumptions about me. You don't know me, and you don't know the first thing about me.
It's so easy for you to say that people think for me, isn't it? As if everyone who has religious beliefs hasn't thought them through for themselves. I wasn't born and bred in a cathedral, nor have I been brainwashed from birth with the "burn in hell" doctrine.
My views on abortion aren't so because some priest told me "ABORTION IS WRONG, SAY THAT 100 TIMES OUT LOUD".
My views on abortion stem simply from the fact that I value human life, whether that be potential or current.
Another thing... I'm not Catholic, so your sweeping generalisations are groundless in any case.
++ [ originally posted by Acies ] ++
I can't help, but this opinion is represented by pretty much every catholic out there.
I could say the same thing about your point of view. It's represented by pretty much every pro-abortionist in the world. Do you think you're the first person to have though of the "but it's not alive" argument?
You seem to have a disdain for any point of view that stems from a religious belief. I don't have a problem with that, but you also seem to assume that your point of view is more independent and valid than my own, despite our respective viewpoints being shared on the same scale.
++ [ originally posted by Nicole ] ++
Coming from a Italian family, she is right. Italy is still a little far behind in its idea because although it is gradually losing it's grip, the Vatican still holds a huge influence.
Thanks for that little political commentary Nicole, but I'm not Roman Catholic so it has little to no relevance here..
++ [ originally posted by Nicole ] ++
Chxta, you dont understand it isnt murder. Murder is when you kill someone, a living, breathing human being. As Acies said, an 'embryo' isnt alive, it doesnt breath. until she gives birth to it, until the doctor goes snip snip, it is part of her! NOTHING else.
and what is a fetus? It's living, it requires oxygen to live, and it's human...
"doesn't breathe" is a pretty shady way to define whether a fetus has the right to live or not...
Consider this (I know I'm going a bit over-the-top with my hypothetical situations here, but please bear with me)...
Imagine that woman going through labour changes her mind at the last minute and says that she doesn't want the baby. So the doctor reaches into her womb and covered the baby's nostrils and mouth, just as its head is about to emerge, killing it.
Would you consider that to be murder? It has never breathed before and was still a part of its mother's body... by your definition, is that just another abortion?
++ [ originally posted by Nicole ] ++
Can it solely exist on its own? No, of course not, it is physically CONNECTED to her, it makes it part of her! Making it HER choice
++ [ originally posted by Nicole ] ++
It couldnt exist without the support of the mother,
Neither can a severely disabled child... does that give them any less right to live?
++ [ originally posted by Nicole ] ++
Seriously chxta, I like you. But your no ignorant, have you even tried to imagine what it would be like for a woman to go through pregnancies? Has it even entered your mind that the mother is actually a living breathing person?
So because it's uncomfortable for a woman to nourish her child and go through labour, she should have the right to end a child's life?
Again, I don't claim to understand the extent of how painful and physically draining it can be for a woman to have a child, but AFAIK it's not the equivalent of castration female circumcision... pregnancy is a natural process which millions of women go through each day. I know that doesn't make it any less painful, but to simply brush off any male's point of view "because he won't ever understand what it's like to be pregnant" is a bit of a cop-out, don't you think?
++ [ originally posted by swag ] ++
Me? I'm against people who are against people against those who are against people opposed to those against abortion... and I'm against those against them too.
Are you a Monty Python fan by any chance?
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