Able Xavier Converts to Islam (6 Viewers)

[IrishZebra]

I don't get it.



No, I'm saying there are no contradictions or fallacies in the book hence it is flawless.

Btw, the two verses you're referring to above, can you post them here?

I don't have any stuff with me here atm but I'll get it after the festivites if you like. I have one from the essay It's pretty much
"Fight those who believe not in Allah"
and
"Tell those who believe, to forgive those who do not hope for the Days of Allah; It is for Him to recompense (for good or evil) each people according to what they have earned"

I have more but those were two basic ones.

 

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[Ventus]

Dude, it's cool. As long as everyone remains civil it's fine. Able Xavier isn't exactly a Juve player so you expect pages of discussion on this.

show me one thread on this forum that hasn't gone to pot the second islam was mentioned ?

it always goes to flames and has someone getting banned.

do what ever you want, but im not getting the blame for this one

 

[IrishZebra]

Learn Arabic, Read Qur'an in it's original language, that's one living miracle

Read about Islam from "true" Islamic books, because lot's of the books you'll find there are against it, don't judge Islam by the actions of Muslims EVER, no body is perfect you know, some people use religion to get where they want, some to protect their actions, some just to feel safe, and lots misunderstand it

But I doubt that you'd actually convert anyway..

If the message is the one truth it should come through in ANY language shouldn't it? I would convert if propper evidence was presented.

I don't think Islam should be gone unchallenged either, but their is a time for it.

This is not a time, this was supposed to be a discussion about able, but its getting spammed by haters.

I'm spamming nothing, what were you expecting to happen, three cheers for Xavier?

 

[Zé Tahir]

I don't have any stuff with me here atm but I'll get it after the festivites if you like. I have one from the essay It's pretty much
"Fight those who believe not in Allah"
and
"Tell those who believe, to forgive those who do not hope for the Days of Allah; It is for Him to recompense (for good or evil) each people according to what they have earned"

I have more but those were two basic ones.

Alright, I'll look it up and get back to you.

show me one thread on this forum that hasn't gone to pot the second islam was mentioned ?

it always goes to flames and has someone getting banned.

do what ever you want, but im not getting the blame for this one

Yeah that is usually the case but don't worry daddy is here now.

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

I don't get it.



No, I'm saying there are no contradictions or fallacies in the book hence it is flawless.

Btw, the two verses you're referring to above, can you post them here?

You know playing 'why did you post this irrelevant thread' is probably the forum's favourite game. It's all this is.

 

[IrishZebra]

Alright, I'll look it up and get back to you.

Fantastic

 

[Zé Tahir]

You know playing 'why did you post this irrelevant thread' is probably the forum's favourite game. It's all this is.

Oh lol, I get it now. I see what you're saying.

 

[Naggar]

If the message is the one truth it should come through in ANY language shouldn't it? I would convert if propper evidence was presented.

I didn't mean that it has different meanings in different languages, of course not.
I meant, that Arabic is it's original language, so in Arabic it's a miracle of poetry, because back then Arabs' "thing" was poetry and nothing else, and that book (regardless what it said) was to them definitetly not written by a human, because it had flawless poetry..
that is just ONE miracle of Qur'an, first thing came to my mind


But of course to you it's just the same reading it in English, no change at all in meanings, I personally knew many close Muslims friends who didn't know Arabic

 

[Naggar]

What are you first? Atheist?

 

[Osman]

FFS, do you guys realise you are boringly getting emo in a thread for this guy:

Prolly Scientology rejected him on sight. Too broke.

 

[IrishZebra]

I didn't mean that it has different meanings in different languages, of course not.
I meant, that Arabic is it's original language, so in Arabic it's a miracle of poetry, because back then Arabs' "thing" was poetry and nothing else, and that book (regardless what it said) was to them definitetly not written by a human, because it had flawless poetry..
that is just ONE miracle of Qur'an, first thing came to my mind


But of course to you it's just the same reading it in English, no change at all in meanings, I personally knew many close Muslims friends who didn't know Arabic

It's a miracle that people wrote a book of poetry? That is astonishing.

Well gents I wish you all the best with this, I'm off to the pub. I hope you get nice presents tomorrow

 

[IrishZebra]

What are you first? Atheist?

First, I was raised as a Catholic because this is Ireland, then my brain developed and now I'm Atheist.

Laters

 

[Naggar]

It's a miracle that people wrote a book of poetry? That is astonishing.

Who said "people" wrote it?

Look, Moses had the miracle of magic because he was sent to Egyptians (Pharaos) who mastered it

Jesus was in a society of the best physicians, and he healed everything, that was his miracle

Muhammad brought a book of flawless poetry, first thing a person would think back then would be that HE wrote it, but when they read it they found it 100% flawless, so that why it was a miracle

 

[ReBeL]

I skimmed the replies quickly, and I had to say this note:

Quran is not poetry by any means. It has nothing to do with the way poetry is written.

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

You believe whatever you want to believe but don't expect a cookie for being better than the rest

 

[ReBeL]

This is the verse from Quran that I'm talking about:

'It is not the word of a poet; little it is ye believe! Nor is it the word of a soothsayer: little admonition it is ye receive. (This is) a message sent down from the Lord of the worlds' (69: 40-43).

 

[Naggar]

That verse denies that Qur'an is said by a poet or a soothsayer, but it's words of God
doesn't say "Qur'an is not poetry"

 

[ReBeL]

That verse denies that Qur'an is said by a poet or a soothsayer, but it's words of God
doesn't say "Qur'an is not poetry"

Poetry is based on specific measures: Taweel, Madeed, Baseet, Kamel, Rajaz, Hazaj, Khafeef, Wafer, Mutaqareb, Ramal, Saree3, Munsareh, Mudare3, Muqtadab, Mujtath, Mutadarak, Khabab, Dubit, La7eq.

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Which one of those is used in Quran?

 

[Naggar]

Not an Arabic language major, but I can read and see that each Sura rhymes in a beautiful way

and you wouldn't know more about poetry than Quraysh! who already admitted 1400 years ago that there is no way it was written by a human


I personally have nothing against any non-muslims, but I hope you guys stop attacking Islam all the time for no reason, we're all humans and we can get by if we reach an understanding point

 

[ReBeL]

Not an Arabic language major, but I can read and see that each Sura rhymes in a beautiful way

and you wouldn't know more about poetry than Quraysh! who already admitted 1400 years ago that there is no way it was written by a human


I personally have nothing against any non-muslims, but I hope you guys stop attacking Islam all the time for no reason, we're all humans and we can get by if we reach an understanding point

I'm Muslim, Naggar...

I just wanted to tell you this note.

Quraysh never said that Quran is poetry, because it is simply not poetry. I didn't claim I know about Arabic more than them, but guide me when they said that Quran is poetry.